77 river decision - Page 7

#61 10-17-2005, 07:26 PM

Aggression is good in a lot of situations. However, raising a weak king is bad IMO, especially in a small pot. You are folding K10 like 0% of the time. You are folding a hand like 77 or JJ that will incorrectly call one on the flop (not to mention bets on the turn and river). You are getting 3bet by a bigger king or a set, or a semi-bluff (so either you have to call down with a worse hand or get bluffed out of the pot). And by calling, we collect bets from hands that are calling incorrectly, and we lose the least when we're behind.

DMBFan23 · #62 10-17-2005, 07:27 PM

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For instance, I want them to fold better kings. That would be a mistake

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how often do they do that versus peel one (when they would have folded for 2) with a 4 or ace high?

and he'll cold call with JJ, but fold a better king?

keetz555 · #63 10-17-2005, 07:42 PM

So none of you guys agree with me on raising the flop?

aces_dad · #64 10-17-2005, 07:43 PM

This thread has gotten long, can you repost the sample hand and indicate the title for us?

DMBFan23 · #65 10-17-2005, 07:47 PM

I would raise the flop with a K in this case, yes. but seeing why is the important part [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

keetz555 · #66 10-17-2005, 07:51 PM

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This thread has gotten long, can you repost the sample hand and indicate the title for us?

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You just made it one post longer. It has gone off-topic, true, but I still think it's an interesting discussion, one that we all can benefit from in one way or another. If the original poster is offended, I apologize.

keetz555 · #67 10-17-2005, 07:52 PM

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I would raise the flop with a K in this case, yes. but seeing why is the important part [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Okay, cool. Why would you raise the flop, Sir?

#68 10-17-2005, 07:54 PM

I probably still wouldn't for the reasons outlined above. Give me something like J9s on and turn the king into a jack and I raise.

EDIT: Maybe I'm wrong though so I want to hear what people think. I just think that I want to see a showdown as cheaply as possible, don't want to slow down worse hands, and I'm not too afraid of giving free cards as I have a pair of kings on a dry board.

DMBFan23 · #69 10-17-2005, 08:10 PM

with a weak K, because the pot is big enough that I would like pairs and gutshots to fold...but it's close. Heads Up I would call with a K against the bettor, but here there are 2 other players

baronzeus · #70 10-17-2005, 08:26 PM

i like your line, as long as you bet the river.