Turn Decision #1

Lash · #1 10-23-2005, 08:34 PM

No read on sb other than he seemed semi rational

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero ?

My question is: Do you feel this a clear fold - why or why not?

baronzeus · #2 10-23-2005, 08:36 PM

it really depends on what limit this is at

kurosh · #3 10-23-2005, 08:36 PM

No fold. Unknown, steal situation, flush draw, board paired, you have a pair.

Lash · #4 10-23-2005, 08:43 PM

5/10

GetThere1Time · #5 10-23-2005, 08:46 PM

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No fold. Unknown, steal situation, flush draw, board paired, you have a pair.

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baronzeus · #6 10-23-2005, 08:48 PM

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5/10

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without a read theres no way i fold

Lash · #7 10-23-2005, 08:51 PM

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No fold. Unknown, steal situation, flush draw, board paired, you have a pair.

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That was my exact instinct as this hand unfolded. However now I find myself questioning if:

-Maybe I'm giving the flush draw a little too much consideration... Vs. a semi-rational opponent isn't it less likely his turn check raise is a semi-bluff - especially given the paired board?

-The pot was small - Why not just fold in these spots until I have a stronger idea of what my opponent is capable of (stronger read)... or at least better pot odds?

GetThere1Time · #8 10-23-2005, 08:59 PM

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Maybe I'm giving the flush draw a little too much consideration... Vs. a semi-rational opponent isn't it less likely his turn check raise is a semi-bluff - especially given the paired board?

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Because a lot of unthinking LAGish players (your typical 5/10er) say "Hey, the board paired kings. I bet he doesn't have one! Bluffing's fun! yay!" Specifically in a steal situation where its easy for people to give you credit for little.

#9 10-23-2005, 09:07 PM

I'd become sad, yet still call here and then check-call the river. People bluff too much on paired boards.