Is this a standard laydown with the nut flush?

xcrack999 · #1 10-10-2005, 11:36 PM

Villain is 46/2.5/1.7 after about 40 hands, so that probably doesn't mean much, but he hasn't done anything really stupid. Thanks for any and all comments.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

CO ($99.80)
Button ($75.35)
Hero ($99)
BB ($100)
UTG ($155.60)
MP ($357.17)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($4) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $3.8, Button calls $3.80, Hero calls $3.80, BB folds.

Turn: ($15.40) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets $8, Hero calls $8, UTG folds.

River: ($31.40) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $15, Button calls $62.55 (All-In)

gol4pro · #2 10-10-2005, 11:41 PM

Given his looseness, he's quite aggressive. His overall agression (VPIP*AG) is 70ish by my quick mental math. That's pretty damn high.

I'm pretty sure I call the river for 2+:1. You see K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or less often enough here. Complete air seems possible as well.

#3 10-11-2005, 12:13 AM

I'd probably call

I'd also lead the flop. If it get's raised, depending on who raised, I might 3-bet all in

If you just get called on the flop, I price myself in on the turn with about a half-pot bet

#4 10-11-2005, 12:18 AM

Check calling down is quite bad here I think. You're making it very hard for villain to make a mistake (though it looks like he managed anyway!)

By the river, you should call and hope he has something like KJ with K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. A set probably bets the turn harder, or checks behind for the free shot at a boat.

DWarrior · #5 10-11-2005, 12:29 AM

What's wrong with betting PF?

#6 10-11-2005, 12:38 AM

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It sucks

#7 10-11-2005, 12:39 AM

Maybe I just suck at poker, but I can't see how you can fold it just because the board paired and he moved all in. Does the guy really have the full? Im pretty skeptical, although I might put him on trips for the river.

Also, it seems like people advocate heavily for folding with anything but the nuts when the opponent is aggressive.. doesn't this leave a hole in your game which is heavily exploitable by the opponents, not to mention too weak to be comforatable with?

xcrack999 · #8 10-11-2005, 02:00 AM

I agree that it was very obvious that I was on a flush draw. (or a scared set) I think I screwed it up somewhere on the flop or the turn, but that's the reason I was so hesitant about calling the river. He has to know that I had a high flush or better and he still pushed. I don't think anyone at this level would try to bluff someone off an A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] here? (or maybe I'm wrong) I thought for a while and called because I can never fold good hands, and he had 22. Maybe I'm just being too result-oriented here.

#9 10-11-2005, 02:12 AM

I think that its a clear fold. He's very likley to put you on a nutflush draw and he is probebly 100% shure when you bet into him on river so why call?

Allinlife · #10 10-11-2005, 02:17 AM

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6 max I mix call/raise depending on game texture here.