pocket pair preflop with a poster and a pack of players

[USDaniels]

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310,404 games 84.561 secs 3,670 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 10.4570 % [ 00.10 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 2: 10.4721 % [ 00.10 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 3: 10.5759 % [ 00.10 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 4: 10.5534 % [ 00.10 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 5: 10.5288 % [ 00.10 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 6: 10.5540 % [ 00.10 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 7: 10.5223 % [ 00.10 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 8: 10.4989 % [ 00.10 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 9: 15.8375 % [ 00.15 00.00 ] { 8s8h }

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many opponents going to river


+

raise

=

$$$

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This is interesting (to me) because it's not what I would have guessed. I would have voted limp because yes, I thought we'd be playing for set value. Obviously, I'd have been wrong.

So we have a decent edge against 8 randoms. But what happens if you run 88 against 3-5 hands all with at least one card higher than an 8? That more accurately describes the situation, right? I guess it depends on whether people are limping with complete junk, or half-junk?

[Rev. Good Will]

I think 88 can go both ways (SH or multi) and I just want more money in the pot against crappy opponents

[USDaniels]

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I think 88 can go both ways (SH or multi) and I just want more money in the pot against crappy opponents

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Yup, right you are. I just downloaded pokerstove (don't know why I asked the question when I could've answered it myself). Against some mostly crappy hands but all with overcards involved, 88 still kicks butt:

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8,819,725,824 games 44.968 secs 196,133,379 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 26.9088 % 26.88% 00.03% { 88 }
Hand 2: 21.7065 % 21.68% 00.03% { K4s }
Hand 3: 10.3710 % 09.72% 00.65% { J7s }
Hand 4: 20.2831 % 20.26% 00.03% { A6o }
Hand 5: 20.7306 % 20.08% 00.65% { QJo }
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Move one or two up to have two overcards (but still questionable hands -- K9o or QTo, for example) and the edge starts to diminish quickly. It takes about three off-suit two overcard hands to over take 88...all the better reason to raise and possibly knock out some of these questionable holdings.

[Reqtech]

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Move one or two up to have two overcards (but still questionable hands -- K9o or QTo, for example) and the edge starts to diminish quickly. It takes about three off-suit two overcard hands to over take 88...all the better reason to raise and possibly knock out some of these questionable holdings.

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You're right, but this exercise stated that you'd get 2 or 3 cold callers. (probably a couple of which have overcards)