The Platinum Poker Club to be Blacklisted

[Oblomov]

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IMO these people were shady from day one.

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I made good money out of The Platinum Poker Club in the first months after their launch, when they were offering very generous freerolls and regular $ 500 guaranteed tournaments (at which only a handful off people turned up). There wasn’t even a cash out requirement attached to freeroll winnings. It seemed a bit to good to be true, but I haven’t had any problems cashing out… and that was without ever having to deposit or being hassled for ID documentation.

So to say they were shady from the beginning is rubbish. They tried to capture a piece of the market by being very generous, and failed. Plain and simple.

Their problem is that they’ve never been able to get a decent number of tables going. The tables that they did have were usually $2/$4 or $3/$6 limit tables with a preposterously low percentage of players per plop. This whole poker props idea was and is a very bad idea. It attracts the sort of players who play tight as a rock and therefore hardly generate any action. (You might say props are worse than bots [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ). I know I didn’t feel any urge to try the ring games, anyway.

$ 7 left in my account now. I think I might try one last tourney or see if they have a micro-limit table running tonight…

[JTrout]

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank JEK187 for the professional, up-front manner in which he has handled his business.

I was fortunate enough to have gotten out early, and gotten paid what I was owed. I'm sorry to hear others haven't.

Although the Platinum Poker Club has been shady and untrustworthy, it should be no reflection on JEK and his venture.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend anyone towards working with Jason. He has been nothing but honest and hard-working in my experience.

Cheers,
JTrout

[Pokeraddict]

I in no way have any affiliation with anyone involved. I asked PPC for a response for Casinomesiter where I posted about this conflict. They emailed me this to give their side. I felt it was only fair to post it here as well.

Response to PremierPokerProps:

PREMIERPOKERPROPS provided prop players to THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB with an agreed upon management fee of X% of the prop players’ pay, not a % of the players’ gross rake contribution. Because THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB pays ALL players a percentage of their rake back as part of the Cash-Back program, prop players are only paid the difference of their gross rake minus their Cash-Back payment. In turn, PREMIERPOKERPROPS was paid their % on the props’ actual prop payments, and was paid completely and fairly.

PREMIERPOKERPROPS was brought on to supply and manage prop players and for this service PREMIERPOKERPROPS was paid. PREMIERPOKERPROPS’s ability to manage the provided prop players was non-existent and in many cases detrimental to the site. In PREMIERPOKERPROPS’s own Prop Agreement it states the following: “A prop’s job is to provide pleasant games for customers to play in”, and “Under no circumstance will a prop berate another player”. THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB had numerous complaints of these individuals preying on THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB’s new players as they joined their tables. Also, THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB was forced to ban many of these props’ chat privileges for berating other players, bad-mouthing the site and promoting other sites. Not once did PREMIERPOKERPROPS put a stop to this behavior or even move props around on the tables for more effective coverage. In other words, the props provided by PREMIERPOKERPROPS were totally and completely un-managed.

After two months, THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB received a letter from PREMIERPOKERPROPS stating that they were no longer in the Prop Management business and that they simply wanted to receive a finder’s fee for any Props they send to THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB. At that point THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB dropped PREMIERPOKERPROPS as a prop-provider and changed their account to that of Affiliate so they would continue getting the standard affiliate pay for the players they brought to the tables. It was probably a good decision for Jason to get out of the prop management business because companies will not pay a management fee to someone who does not provide any management.

Any references to prop players not getting paid, people getting cheated out of money, etc. are completely false. Not once has any prop player complained about their pay.

PREMIERPOKERPROPS was paid correctly and fairly, and in fact was probably overpaid given the lack of services provided. I wish Premier Poker Props and Jason success in their future endeavors and regret we were not able to come to an amicable conclusion to his alleged concerns.

The Platinum Poker Club

Dan Williams
Vice President of Poker Operations

[jek187]

1st off, I'll say that both TPPC's opinion that I am not owed the money that I am, and their opinion of PPP.com's performance is news to me.

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PREMIERPOKERPROPS provided prop players to THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB with an agreed upon management fee of X% of the prop players’ pay, not a % of the players’ gross rake contribution. Because THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB pays ALL players a percentage of their rake back as part of the Cash-Back program, prop players are only paid the difference of their gross rake minus their Cash-Back payment.

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This is an excerpt from an email I received from TPPC's card room manager on September 13th:
Hi Jason

I told Dan Williams today that you entitled to 10% of all your props gross rake not the net and told him to look at the agreement he accepted so you will be getting the difference.

It's obvious that TPPC was supposed to pay us based on the total rake, not just the net rake. This is straight from their card room manager. Also, this is the 1st time that they have ever disputed the payment due. Just 2 months after I initially brought it up. I would like to give them the benefit of a doubt here, but I find it hard not to see this initial paragraph from Dan as intentionally deceitful.

Additionally, Dan does not even address that PPP.com has not been paid one cent for some props. I'd love to hear the reasoning for that.

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THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB had numerous complaints of these individuals preying on THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB’s new players as they joined their tables. Also, THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB was forced to ban many of these props’ chat privileges for berating other players, bad-mouthing the site and promoting other sites. Not once did PREMIERPOKERPROPS put a stop to this behavior

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This is likely completely untrue. During PPP's stay at TPPC, I received one complaint about a prop's chat. That prop was sternly reprimanded, and barely kept his position. If TPPC was receiving these complaints, I was never notified.

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or even move props around on the tables for more effective coverage. In other words, the props provided by PREMIERPOKERPROPS were totally and completely un-managed.

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Another completely erroneous charge. I spent a great deal of time answering prop emails/IMs on propping, and monitoring TPPC's tables to make sure that everyone was propping correctly. To say this constitutes "total and complete unmanagement" is libel. Also, not to beat a dead horse, but do you think that if they were unhappy with our services, they would wait until we were almost 6 weeks out of there to express their dissatisfaction?

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After two months, THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB received a letter from PREMIERPOKERPROPS stating that they were no longer in the Prop Management business and that they simply wanted to receive a finder’s fee for any Props they send to THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB. At that point THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB dropped PREMIERPOKERPROPS as a prop-provider and changed their account to that of Affiliate so they would continue getting the standard affiliate pay for the players they brought to the tables.

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This is, once again, untrue. On September 13th (only 28% short of the two months Dan mentions) I sent TPPC the email stating that PPP was resigning, effective Septemeber 30th. This email did not coincide with my email proposing to refer props to TPPC, which came later on. Yet more misinformation.

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Any references to prop players not getting paid, people getting cheated out of money, etc. are completely false. Not once has any prop player complained about their pay.


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While I haven't made any allegations about props not geting paid, I need to dispute the part in bold. I received, and resolved, multiple instances of TPPC not paying one prop or another. These were all errors on TPPC's end.

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PREMIERPOKERPROPS was paid correctly and fairly, and in fact was probably overpaid given the lack of services provided.

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This sums up all the deceipt perfectly. Utter hogwash.

Anyone with any further thoughts to add to this saga is welcome to, and I will answer as fully as possible.

[jek187]

Also, this just in.

A contact of mine in Costa Rica has informed me that TPPC has laid off their entire customer support staff. Things just get better and better.

[GrannyMae]

their opinion of PPP.com's performance is news to me.

this is not their 'opinion'.

this is a desperate sites REACTION to being outed as thieves and scumbags.

FWIW, i propped for jek for a week and he performed better than any prop manager i have ever encountered, live or internet.

this included setting up a prop forum that was private at bw.com and addressing daily issues that arose from the utter incompetence of the tppc managers.

their reply is pure sour grapes, and anyone who deposits a dime there should expect to never see it. this place is your next pokerspot.com.
anyone playing there will have nobody to blame but themselves when these thieves steal your money and perhaps your identity.

as far as you jek, if these scum were not protected by foriegn soil, i would sue the snot out of them.

their reply makes me sick!

[Simon Diamond]

Dan Williams
Vice President of Poker Operations

Soon to be looking for alternative employment...

[justin D]

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THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB had numerous complaints of these individuals preying on THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB’s new players as they joined their tables.

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At least now we know why us props got the following email from TPPC.

We do understand that you are here also to win and protect your bankroll. However, we do not expect you to abuse the other players by constantly raising on almost every hand to bully the games, especially in short handed games.

[n1stunnor]

LOL

That is hilarious!

[Homer]

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THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB had numerous complaints of these individuals preying on THE PLATINUM POKER CLUB’s new players as they joined their tables.

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At least now we know why us props got the following email from TPPC.

We do understand that you are here also to win and protect your bankroll. However, we do not expect you to abuse the other players by constantly raising on almost every hand to bully the games, especially in short handed games.

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Yeah, seriously, everyone knows you're not supposed to raise as often in short-handed games. Haven't you ever read the HUSH forum? What a noob!