Party $200 PL game: Out of position vs solid player

shmahappens · #1 04-30-2005, 04:24 PM

Villian is pretty solid, somewhat aggressive, haven't seen him get out of line. Not sure if it helps (i'm new to NL, and can't interpret pt stats like I could in limit), but his PT numbers are 34/4/2.5/75 hands
Advice/comments on any street would be appreciated - especially river, I felt I couldn't get a value bet (KJ or better A beats me, an agro heart draw folds) but did I give him a chance to push me out of the pot?

Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) converter

Hero ($446)
BB ($367.64)
UTG ($393.42)
UTG+1 ($204.05)
MP1 ($24.3)
MP2 ($198)
CO ($60.9)
Button ($206.1)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, MP1 calls $2, 3 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($6) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $4, BB calls $4, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($14) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $9, Hero raises to $30, BB calls $21.

River: ($74) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Final Pot: $74

-Skeme- · #2 04-30-2005, 04:29 PM

Wrong forum. I'd lead the turn. Why check-raise?

shmahappens · #3 04-30-2005, 04:32 PM

Oh sorry, like I said I'm new to NL and PL, what is the cutoff for mid to small stakes?

I felt he was going to bet the turn (with his aggression and position on me), and would have trouble putting me on an ace so I could get more out of him than just leading.

Rotating Rabbit · #4 04-30-2005, 05:40 PM

You should value bet this river, perhaps $30 and fold to a raise, most likely he has a good J.

AEKDBet · #5 05-01-2005, 06:05 AM

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You should value bet this river, perhaps $30 and fold to a raise, most likely he has a good J.

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or aces up, or missed flush. bet the river, 20-40.

ghostface · #6 05-01-2005, 07:28 AM

Isnt a good Jack AJ or KJ?

The_Bends · #7 05-01-2005, 09:17 AM

Why would he flat call thre flop with a good Jack? The only hand that I can see that makes any sense given the villians line is T9/89/T8 of Hearts. The turn bet could be purely becaue he sesnsed weakness from the hero.

CrusaderRabbit · #8 05-02-2005, 02:37 AM

I think that this is NOT a time to value bet. This is a $1-$2 table with people who limp with Ax all the time. When that Ace hits on the turn, I think there is a strong chance he's betting and calling your raise because he's just hit top pair with a mediocre kicker, as you have. If you bet the river you can't beat A7 through AA, pocket 2s, pocket 7s, pocket jacks. So when we ask the question: What hands will call you that you beat?, the answer is, fewer than beat you.

If someone can explain to me in detail why this is a bet on the river, I'm always eager to learn.

AEKDBet · #9 05-02-2005, 03:13 AM

I bet the river because I (hero) showed so much strength on the turn, although I think check calling or check folding is just as good if not better.

He only has 1 or two pair on the turn, and I think he only bet because you checked, but by calling your turn raise he prob has a J, 2 pair, or a heart draw.

CrusaderRabbit · #10 05-02-2005, 01:06 PM

I don't understand. Why on the turn would you not give the villan credit for an A?

If I've just raise on the turn and get called, I've got to think there is a pretty good chance I'm getting called with an A, maybe two pair.

Then some have suggested putting in about a $30 bet on the end. But that gives the villan around 3:1 to make that call with an Ax and outkick you. If you are called with another ace, you are are not winning, so where is the value?