AA Runs Into Four Flush

ninjaunderwear · #1 09-30-2005, 07:16 PM

No read here, but I don't think a read would help any in this situation.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises, 4 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ???.

When SB wakes up on the turn four-flush, I quickly called behind. Folding is out of the question. [In hindsight, a raise has some merit.]

If SB caught a flush, he doesn't seem too confident about it on the river. If I bet, any hands that can call me have me beat. However, there is a chance I can fold a 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

In such a small pot, is there any value in betting here? Or should I just take the free showdown? Is it even close?

benkath1 · #2 09-30-2005, 07:20 PM

I take the free showdown, and hate myself for doing it.

hemstock · #3 09-30-2005, 07:22 PM

Just check behind.
He will call you only if he beats you.
And getting check-raised would feel really really bad.

SoftcoreRevolt · #4 10-01-2005, 02:21 AM

Yeah, just check the river here. You are probably ahead here, but he's not paying you off.

#5 10-01-2005, 03:25 AM

Id say he is ahead with a midrange diamond. But from your actions he is scared you have a better one so isnt willing to put more than one bet in on the river.

Check and expect to lose.

#6 10-01-2005, 03:31 AM

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I take the free showdown, and hate myself for doing it.

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i do the same and curse myself for being weak tight.

ninjaunderwear · #7 10-01-2005, 10:32 AM

Could a river bet possibly scare off a small diamond? I don't think we fear a check-raise here.

On the turn, if I'm behind, I have outs, so a call seems most appropriate. But what do you make of a raise on the turn? Aggression here offers the same potential of folding a small diamond, and it could earn us a "free" showdown. (SB wouldn't usually lead here and then check the turn so ignore the river when analyzing the turn)

Lunar Tweak · #8 10-01-2005, 10:50 AM

yes, your logic for raising the turn is on point and the best line for this situation.

Redd · #9 10-01-2005, 11:27 AM

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yes, your logic for raising the turn is on point and the best line for this situation.

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A turn raise is no good here because we're going to be 3-bet over 50% of the time and charge ourselves an extra 2BB to draw. And we're very rarely folding a small [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] here.

And IMO the river is an easy check behind. This is a small [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or a stupid check-raise much more often than a bluff. And if villain is bluffing and has no diamond, he's rarely going to pay you off.

AussieBattler · #10 10-01-2005, 12:06 PM

grunch

I play the same and hope to boat up at the river.

check behind and expect to see a medium (crappy)diamond

without reads I just call this turn and I check this river. a check raise would be nasty and for meta game purposes I really wanna see what he bet with on the turn....