Giving up to Early?

stoli · #1 12-01-2005, 04:08 PM

I wanted to know if I gave this hand up too early or how you some of you would play this. This was the second hand I was dealt after being moved so I had no reads available. We were down to under 1,000 players at this point and the previous table was fairly tight.

I struggle with hands like this I think. From my Limit games I guess I get the idea this needs to be raised but I guess maybe not in a NL tourney?? Also I do concede that If i'm going to raise, it probably needs to be more than this to discourage people from calling.... I don't really know why I raised this, I think I must have used the slider bar thing and not gotten it to 450. Thanks for the help.

Party Poker 40k guaranteed No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (10 handed) converter
Blinds 75/150

UTG+1 (t2280)
UTG+2 (t3456)
MP1 (t6741)
MP2 (t450)
MP3 (t3183)
CO (t2408)
Button (t3206)
SB (t2636)
BB (t1706)
Hero (t2920)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t375, 7 folds, SB calls t300, 1 fold.

Flop: (t900) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero Bets t500, SB calls t500.

Turn: (t1400) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t1400) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t1100, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t2500

I made the flop bet assuming this was my only opportunity to win the hand. Either he'd come over the top or fold. The call kinda throws me and I pretty much concede the hand at that point absent of reads on the sb.

#2 12-01-2005, 04:11 PM

you played it fine. nothing else to be done with this hand.

#3 12-01-2005, 04:16 PM

I'm pretty sure SB has an Ace or Queen, good fold.

#4 12-01-2005, 04:38 PM

good fold. but your title suggests that it was somewhere early in the hand, this is all the way at the river. can't fault your play here IMO.

schwza · #5 12-01-2005, 04:50 PM

this is exactly how i play it.

Guelph · #6 12-01-2005, 08:09 PM

Does anyone fire a second barrel here on the turn?

700 more leaves you 1500 behind.. If he calls, you'll probably get to check behind on the river, if he re-raises you know you're beat, and he has a chance to fold.

How often do we think a smaller PP or KJ/JT/KT/some other junk are found here?

gobboboy · #7 12-01-2005, 08:13 PM

Raise to 450 preflop.

No reads? If villain is tight, then he's not calling the flop bet without an ace. If villain is loose, he might be calling with a gutshot straight draw or a queen he is willing to fold to another bet. Checking behind is ALWAYS giving up on a hand in their eyes. I would bet 450 on the flop, 700 on the turn. Fold to a raise, check behind if checked to on the river. If he donks the river, fold.

#8 12-01-2005, 09:50 PM

I might check the flop - just because you are sort of committed to a turn bet if you check the flop. I think you can 'sell' more hands by checking the flop. Depending on your image and perceived UTG raising range, you would probably check behind on this flop "slowplaying" with a lot of hands as well as KK fearing the A.