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Re: I Can\'t Believe What I am about to type
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Whatever. He's a system quarterback. [/ QUOTE ] Nice. I'd probably give it to Brady. |
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Re: I Can\'t Believe What I am about to type
MVP is either LT2 or Shaun.
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Re: I Can\'t Believe What I am about to type
I'll second the Ladanian vote. (As a NYer, even saying "LT2" is too close to saying "LT," which is sacred, so I just call him Ladanian.)
As an aside, does anyone know where to get a hold of some old football games on film? I'm specifically interested in watching LT(1). Torrents would work... |
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Jake Plummer is the NFL MVP right now. [/ QUOTE ] Give it time, the picks are coming, he cant keep this up forever. Schedule: Sun 11/20 NY Jets 4:15 pm Thu 11/24 at Dallas 4:15 pm Sun 12/4 at Kansas City 4:15 pm Sun 12/11 Baltimore 4:15 pm Sat 12/17 at Buffalo 8:30 pm Sat 12/24 Oakland 4:15 pm Sat 12/31 at San Diego 4:30 pm Hes going to throw a bunch of picks on the San Diego game and one other one maybe two of the following games: at Buffalo, at Kansas City, or at Dallas. |
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Hes going to throw a bunch of picks on the San Diego game [/ QUOTE ] Why? Isn't their secondary horrible? |
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As for Walter Jones an O-Line Man will never win MVP Since a QB almost always wins the award I think Plummer is a good pick. The only QB who is playing better for a premier team is Carson Palmer. Out of the QB's rated higher than Plummer McNabb, Brady, and Bledsoe - Team not good enough Delhomme, Brees, and Peyton - Might not even by their own teams MVP Roethlisberger- Too many injuries That leaves Plummer in IMO as one of the top 2 QB's in the MVP race, and I think Plummer is slightly better candidate than Carson because Dewnver will end with more wins than the Bengals. [/ QUOTE ] Your thought process really saddens me, but if you're just trying to get into the heads of the voters, I have to reluctantly agree that you're on the right track. 'Best QB on a top-tier team' is basically the Heisman voting process and looking back at guys like McNair and Gannon winning MVPs, the NFL voting criteria might not be much different. |
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I'll second the Ladanian vote. (As a NYer, even saying "LT2" is too close to saying "LT," which is sacred, so I just call him Ladanian.) As an aside, does anyone know where to get a hold of some old football games on film? I'm specifically interested in watching LT(1). Torrents would work... [/ QUOTE ] this is the only thing I've ever ran across, but I've never seen any seeders for it. If you ever come across something PLEASE let me know about it somehow. I'd love to see some of this stuff. |
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Way to come to your conclusion before looking at facts. [/ QUOTE ] What was said in my second post was known to me when I made my first post. My second post just further expanded my thought process to you. |
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<font color="red"> Shaun Alexander </font> is the NFL MVP right now. Offensive POY LaDanian Tomlinson Defensive MVP Dwight Freeney Offensive ROY Heath Miller Defensive ROY <font color="red"> Derrick Johnson </font> Coach of the Year Jon Gruden [/ QUOTE ] |
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Associated Press MVP's Since the Merger
1967 Johnny Unitas / Daryle Lamonica 1968 Earl Morrall / Joe Namath 1969 Roman Gabriel / Namath 1970 John Brodie 1971 Alan Page 1972 Larry Brown 1973 O.J. Simpson 1974 Ken Stabler 1975 Fran Tarkenton 1976 Bert Jones 1977 Walter Payton 1978 Terry Bradshaw 1979 Earl Campbell 1980 Brian Sipe 1981 Ken Anderson 1982 Mark Moseley 1983 Joe Theismann 1984 Dan Marino 1985 Marcus Allen 1986 Lawrence Taylor 1987 John Elway 1988 Boomer Esiason 1989 Joe Montana 1990 Joe Montana 1991 Thurman Thomas 1992 Steve Young 1993 Emmitt Smith 1994 Steve Young 1995 Brett Favre 1996 Brett Favre 1997 Brett Favre / Barry Sanders 1998 Terrell Davis 1999 Kurt Warner 2000 Marshall Faulk 2001 Kurt Warner 2002 Rich Gannon 2003 Peyton Manning / Steve McNair 2004 Peyton Manning AP Offensive Player of the Year Note the award was started in 1972 1972 - Larry Brown, RB Washington 1973 - O.J. Simpson, RB Buffalo 1974 - Ken Stabler, QB Oakland 1975 - Fran Tarkenton, QB Minnesota 1976 - Bert Jones, QB Baltimore 1977 - Walter Payton, RB Chicago 1978 - Earl Campbell, RB Houston 1979 - Earl Campbell, RB Houston 1980 - Earl Campbell, RB Houston 1981 - Ken Anderson, QB Cincinnati 1982 - Dan Fouts, QB San Diego 1983 - Joe Theismann, QB Washington 1984 - Dan Marino, QB Miami 1985 - Marcus Allen, RB LA Raiders 1986 - Eric Dickerson, RB LA Rams 1987 - Jerry Rice, WR San Francisco 1988 - Roger Craig, RB San Francisco 1989 - Joe Montana, QB San Francisco 1990 - Warren Moon, QB Houston 1991 - Thurman Thomas, RB Buffalo 1992 - Steve Young, QB San Francisco 1993 - Jerry Rice, WR San Francisco 1994 - Barry Sanders, RB Detroit 1995 - Brett Favre, QB Green Bay 1996 - Terrell Davis, RB Denver 1997 - Barry Sanders, RB Detroit 1998 - Terrell Davis, RB Denver 1999 - Marshall Faulk, RB St. Louis 2000 - Marshall Faulk, RB St. Louis 2001 - Marshall Faulk, RB St. Louis 2002 - Priest Holmes, RB Kansas City 2003 - Jamal Lewis, RB Baltimore 2004 - Peyton Manning, QB Indianapolis Including AFL and Co- MVP's 30/43 MVP were QB's Offensive players of the year 12/33 were QB's Essentialy for a non QB to win MVP they must have an extradoniary season, or for a QB to win offensive POY they must have an extraordinary statistical season. Furthermore most of these QB's are on top 5 teams in the NFL. Therefore based on previous voter trends the most likely canditates for the MVP award are Peyton, Roethlisberger, Carson, Plummer, Delhomme, and Hasselbeck. Earlier I stated my reasoning for why Peyton, Roethlisberger, Carson, and Delhomme should not be MVP, and I think Hasselbeck falls into the category where he is not the MVP of his own team. While there maybe a problem with the mindset of voters, based on there mindsets recently I think Plummer and Carson are one two in the MVP race. |
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