MONSTER DRAW in an unraised pot

[pk Wools]

like i said, i agree, i would not push. but believe it's not a horrible play

[AlexMR]

What Am I missing here? This is the brunson move, but without the nut flush and 6 more outs to the str8, for a total o 15.

At those stakes, it is possible that you get Ax-d to fold to a buy in allin but down at NL25, the brunson move has proven me to be if not completely innefective, not lucrative. I have made the movet to get beat by mid pairs with crap kickers and even bottom pairs. In most situations where you dont have a Calling station filled table, this is EV+, so it is a good move.

If you have reads of more than one calling station at your table dont do it, because it is painful to see that hand beat by a pair of sevens. But if you can handle pain, PUSH!

[JaBlue]

I'm inclined to fold here. Your diamond outs are no good and even if you do hit your non-diamond straight card, you will still have to worry about a diamond or board-pairing redraw.

Flame away, but I think this is the right play.

[ryanghall]

I'm glad someone else suggested to fold - I was thinking along these lines, as well. Everything the poster has stated about the opponents seems to lead to trouble. Since there has been bet, a raise and a reraise, I'd say the chances you can get them all to fold is fairly close to zero. If you just call, who is to say that UTG or SB won't raise again? I think I certainly either lay this one down or push, and I lean toward the former.

Ryan

[JaBlue]

Someone else has the stronger diamond draw and hero is [censored] if he pushes, that's all.

[JaBlue]

People will not fold the flush draw here, especially if it looks like its going to be a multi-way all in fest.

[soah]

This is a good example of why you shouldn't play suited connectors UTG+1.

[JaBlue]

It looks like playing 9-10 diamonds at this table is pretty +EV from how this hand went preflop... maybe you should italicize the "you" though and you'd have a case(?)

[soah]

Preflop isn't the spot where you are hoping to get priced in to chase your draw.

[JaBlue]

let me rephrase: in these table conditions it certainly looks like 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] will be profitable from UTG+1.

Are you folding 910 suited at a loose-passive table like this when you expect many limpers?