MONSTER DRAW in an unraised pot
 

I have no idea what to do when action gets back to me on the flop, i planned to take a turn and not get too involved, the person who bets in a maniac, the next two raisers are both super tight, both with avg agg of around 1 with around 200 hands for both, another question is do i bet the flop? even so what do i do when action gets back to me?
any suggestions would be helpfull
thanks,
Noah
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

Hero ($222.8)
UTG+2 ($159.5)
MP1 ($200)
MP2 ($228.95)
MP3 ($55.6)
CO ($129.92)
Button ($223.8)
SB ($134.97)
BB ($106.4)
UTG ($301)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $2. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $2, UTG+2 calls $2, MP1 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls $2, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($12) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets $4</font>, MP1 calls $4, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $15</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $30</font>.

Final Pot: $65

Re: MONSTER DRAW in an unraised pot
 

well, first of all, lead the flop.

second, you want your stack in on the flop. the double check-raise is worrisome, but i'd probably still push.

Re: MONSTER DRAW in an unraised pot
 

Well, people with post flop af 1 don't play flush draws that way, and since a higher flush draw is the only thing you really fear in a 3 or 4 way all in pot, I suppose you'll have to call and hope maniac pushes over the top. You don't want to fold him out.

I believe you should fold preflop.

Re: MONSTER DRAW in an unraised pot
 

wouldn't a check/push be better?? if you do get called, your chances of being heads up w/ dead money in the pot are more likely. If you lead out, only the guy w/ 78 or set may be heads up w/ you which is around even money proposition

Re: MONSTER DRAW in an unraised pot
 

optimally tho instead of check/push (if you were intending to get all your chips in)

wouldn't you call b/c your probably up against a set or two pair and would want to wait until you had the best of it

Re: MONSTER DRAW in an unraised pot
 

you want to put your stack in with the worst hand when you will get called for sure?
Noah

Re: MONSTER DRAW in an unraised pot
 

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wouldn't a check/push be better?? if you do get called, your chances of being heads up w/ dead money in the pot are more likely. If you lead out, only the guy w/ 78 or set may be heads up w/ you which is around even money proposition

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it could be a preference thing. i play my big draws like to do my sets: bet, get raised, push

Re: MONSTER DRAW in an unraised pot
 

personally i would just draw for my hand,

but minetz, if u're up against a two pair or a set, you are about 50/50 by the river, w/ dead money in the pot it's profitable to have all ur chips in if that were the case

Re: MONSTER DRAW in an unraised pot
 

also, going all in has a the benefit of getting a higher flush w/ no other draws (you have the straight) to fold

Re: MONSTER DRAW in an unraised pot
 

Dont go broke in an unraised pot, a wise man once said this.
I think that the only +ev situation is if you can get both of the other players all in, otherwise your in a seemingly coinflip situation with not that much dead money in the pot, also take into account the stacksize of the origional raiser
Noah