To moderators and/or forum vets

[Dingo Puppet]

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you add nothing of value to this forum.

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TrannyMae adds nothing of value to this forum. When was the last time he/she actually gave poker advice?

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I was playing hold'em with GrannyMae at Full Tilt Poker last night. She actually has a great sense of humour. She had the whole table cracking up. When she left, everyone commented on how nice she is. So I guess there's two different sides to GrannyMae. The evil lunatic here, and the charming witty one at Full Tilt.

[RiverMel]

Oh, sorry, my mistake, I misread your post! I thought the last sentence said: "Please respond as sarcastically as possible."

Don't you get it? The fact that you respond to my post saying "I didn't ask for a sarcastic response" shows that, even if this idea of giving certain posters moderator privileges weren't a ridiculous idea, you personally should be one of the last in line for the job.

Oh, and so you don't feel the need to respond if you don't have anything new to add: I'm well aware that the post I'm replying to didn't request sarcastic / rude responses!

[sprmario]

I'm sorry I guess spamming is not the correct term. I think harassment would be the correct term.

ha·rass ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-rs, hrs)

1. To irritate or torment persistently.

I'd say that's an accurate descrition of what's going on. Oh and from the terms and conditions of the forum:

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While using 2+2 website, you may not post or transmit any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, profane, or otherwise objectionable information of any kind

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[Oski]

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I'm sorry I guess spamming is not the correct term. I think harassment would be the correct term.

ha·rass ( P ) Pronunciation Key (h-rs, hrs)

1. To irritate or torment persistently.

I'd say that's an accurate descrition of what's going on. Oh and from the terms and conditions of the forum:

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While using 2+2 website, you may not post or transmit any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, profane, or otherwise objectionable information of any kind

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Good point: That and a quarter would be worth 25 cents.

In practice, a web forum is governed by a social convention. Hard-line definitions are not really useful.

Your interpretation, for example, of harassment might not be anywhere near what is the norm for the forum. Of course, you might say, you agree with the the dictionary's definition: no good, its INTERPRETATION that is the key.

Case in point: Jurollo brought up the idea of having a select few be moderators. RiverMel, replied in a sarcastic manner, which was indended to make a point (which was successful). The whole thing went over Jurollo's head. Jurollo, obviously does not share the same sense of humor as RiverMel. It would be silly to have such a person moderate the forum.

The bottom line is this forum is owned and operated by a private entity. Such people can and will run this site as they choose. Therefore, the only interpretation that REALLY matters is that of the Owners and of course, Mat.

Mat has laid down some guidelines, and seems to follow them faithfully. Occasionally, he may miss something or be overly judicious, but it seems to work fine.

It takes just more than a little bit of panache to sign on to a forum and then volunteeer to "clean it up" within a month or so of your first post. The idea is even more silly when the volunteer couldn't recognize a joke if it hit him in the nose.

[sprmario]

Valid points. Like I said in my original post, I am new here, but the fact is that at a minimum granny's posts w/ regard to this fellow show poor taste and limited maturity.

Every single person in this forum engages in an activity (gambling) that many people find unethical. Does that mean those other people have the right to come on here and spew hatred? I don't think so.

Every single person on here has done something in their life they regret and are sorry they did. If someone smoked pot when they were in high school I don't think it gives people the right to run around after them and calling them a fuking pothead everywhere they go. Or if someone has gotten drunk and disorderly a few times I don't think that people should call them a fuking drunk all the time.

Also we use definitions so that we all have a common ground to speak to. That is the definition of the word harass. If you have a different definition or anyone else does, it doesn't mean anything. Now the conventions of this board might be such that vulgarities mean nothing (despite the terms and conditions), but that doesn't mean that granny's posts are any less harassing. That's what they are, plain and simple.

[tiltboy]

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you add nothing of value to this forum.

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TrannyMae adds nothing of value to this forum. When was the last time he/she actually gave poker advice?

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Why don't you check the name of this forum Dilbert.

[Dilbert]

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Why don't you check the name of this forum Dilbert.

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Thats Mr. Hutz to you.

[Oski]

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Also we use definitions so that we all have a common ground to speak to. That is the definition of the word harass. If you have a different definition or anyone else does, it doesn't mean anything. Now the conventions of this board might be such that vulgarities mean nothing (despite the terms and conditions), but that doesn't mean that granny's posts are any less harassing. That's what they are, plain and simple.

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Again, you are interposing your own interpretation of harassment. It is clear you see GM's behavior towards PTTM as harassment. Fine, but not everyone else does, nor does it seem she has quite crossed the line per the forum's sensibilities.

If it makes you feel better, I wrote a post yesterday asking GM to let it go, etc. But, whether she chooses to, should be GM's decision. Of course, many others also felt GM should back off, and they voiced their opinion. It seems to me that all those requests have made somewhat of an impact...see, its rather simple, really.

Of course, GM has a history here, and many "know" her; therefore, she is given the benefit of the doubt. If a troll came on and began a flaming war, that may be something quite different.

[MicroBob]

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even if this idea of giving certain posters moderator privileges weren't a ridiculous idea

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when i was on the BJ21 pages (for blackjack card-counters) there were a number of trolls of the Ryan21 variety.
by having 'extra' moderators, the most offensive of posts were usually eliminated within 15-30 minutes.

2+2 doesn't have nearly the amount of spam or super-trolls. but as the site continues to grow....so will the number of inappropriate newcomers.

the fact that you have to have a seperate e-mail address for each new identity helps keep things in check around here somewhat. it is kind of a pain to have to set up new address after new address just to keep trolling this place.


i don't believe that granny's posts towards PITTM fall under the guidelines of what should be eliminated. and i don't see why someone would think that a different mod would immediately eliminate them while mat has the patience and discipline to let them slide.


the fact is, there ARE some obviously inappropriate posts that an extra mod could take care of right-away.


i don't understand why so many seem to think that an extra mod would just go crazy and start eliminating all sorts of posts that otherwise shouldn't be deleted.

the mod would be chosen by mat.....it would not just be any random tom, dick or granny. it would be someone that mat believes could appropriately do the job.

the mod would be told to eliminate only the most offensive of posts or obvious spam.
if they saw something they 'thought' was bad...they could just report it to mat without deleting it.

the mod could have their mod privileges taken away if they somehow decided to abuse their mod-power.

it's not that hard.


it would just be nice to have an extra mod hanging around with an ability to get rid of the next ryan21 racist garbage that may happen to come along.


not sure how many extra mods there were on BJ21...but i'm guessing 2 or 3.
but it most certainly is not a 'ridiculous' idea.

[_2000Flushes]

I don't think anyone really finds additional moderators to be ridiculous. For all we know, Mat might even have several friends already helping him under his account. (It's a shame what happened to him.)

But when posters start hinting at the idea that the board is somehow democratic or that the moderators should be chosen from those who show interest in the position, it makes people uneasy.

That said, I'd like to nominate myself to moderate the Small Stakes forum. I would mostly just censor for bad grammar.

-2kF