QQ , Did I lay Down the Winner Here ?

Potowame · #1 02-05-2005, 03:44 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (8 handed) converter

Hero (t21296)
SB (t9941)
BB (t5720)
UTG (t2675)
UTG+1 (t5650)
MP1 (t11539)
MP2 (t17826)
CO (t8075)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t800, 1 fold, MP2 calls t800, 1 fold, Hero raises to t2800, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t2000.

Flop: (t6550) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t6550) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets t2400, Hero calls t2400.

River: (t11350) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets t12601 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: t23951

I know I should have Put a probe Bet out there on the Flop, After that I just screwed it all up. Please Flame away !!!!

istewart · #2 02-05-2005, 03:54 AM

No I don't think you laid down a winner, but I would not have called the turn.

JaBlue · #3 02-05-2005, 05:31 AM

When you called the turn, did you even think about what he might do and how you'd respond on the river? I suspect the answer is that you didn't, and if it is you really need to start considering this.

Also: throw out a 2500 bet on the flop (if these guys are decent, only do this if you will make this bet with a king here too).

Also: I'm very unsure about it, but its possible that a case could be made for min-raising the turn. I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that (idea stolen from Matt Flynn's high stakes thread).

Potowame · #4 02-05-2005, 05:39 AM

I would have played AK the same way. If the Villain was A rock I know I layed down the loser , but he was pretty Laggy so I was pretty steamed about the all-in. I figured he would check it down fearing the K.

Masquerade · #5 02-05-2005, 06:35 AM

No, I think he had you by the end. [99 maybe, or QJ]

I don't think checking the flop is necessarily wrong - but you're in a way representing a K by doing so. I think you have to follow through with a moderate raise on the turn otherwise he knows you dont have one.

Ross · #6 02-05-2005, 08:48 AM

No apart from a complete bluff what are you beating on the end ? Once the Kings are out on the flop you just want to get to the end of the hand without going broke if you want to represent a King raise on the turn otherwise you are through with the hand.

regards

Ross

tiger7210 · #7 02-05-2005, 09:11 AM

I think a probing bet on the flop and/or a reraise on the turn was needed. If you held AK would you bet that flop. If so I would make a bet here. He may have JJ's or even AQ but senses your weakness and is making a play. You showed strength PF show some after and if he still pushes then you know you're behind.