QQ , Did I lay Down the Winner Here ?
 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (8 handed) converter

Hero (t21296)
SB (t9941)
BB (t5720)
UTG (t2675)
UTG+1 (t5650)
MP1 (t11539)
MP2 (t17826)
CO (t8075)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t800</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t800, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2800</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t2000.

Flop: (t6550) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t6550) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t2400</font>, Hero calls t2400.

River: (t11350) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t12601 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t23951


I know I should have Put a probe Bet out there on the Flop, After that I just screwed it all up. Please Flame away !!!!

Re: QQ , Did I lay Down the Winner Here ?
 

No I don't think you laid down a winner, but I would not have called the turn.

Re: QQ , Did I lay Down the Winner Here ?
 

When you called the turn, did you even think about what he might do and how you'd respond on the river? I suspect the answer is that you didn't, and if it is you really need to start considering this.

Also: throw out a 2500 bet on the flop (if these guys are decent, only do this if you will make this bet with a king here too).

Also: I'm very unsure about it, but its possible that a case could be made for min-raising the turn. I'd like to hear people's thoughts on that (idea stolen from Matt Flynn's high stakes thread).

Re: QQ , Did I lay Down the Winner Here ?
 

I would have played AK the same way. If the Villain was A rock I know I layed down the loser , but he was pretty Laggy so I was pretty steamed about the all-in. I figured he would check it down fearing the K.

Re: QQ , Did I lay Down the Winner Here ?
 

No, I think he had you by the end. [99 maybe, or QJ]

I don't think checking the flop is necessarily wrong - but you're in a way representing a K by doing so. I think you have to follow through with a moderate raise on the turn otherwise he knows you dont have one.

Re: QQ , Did I lay Down the Winner Here ?
 

No apart from a complete bluff what are you beating on the end ? Once the Kings are out on the flop you just want to get to the end of the hand without going broke if you want to represent a King raise on the turn otherwise you are through with the hand.

regards

Ross

Re: QQ , Did I lay Down the Winner Here ?
 

I think a probing bet on the flop and/or a reraise on the turn was needed. If you held AK would you bet that flop. If so I would make a bet here. He may have JJ's or even AQ but senses your weakness and is making a play. You showed strength PF show some after and if he still pushes then you know you're behind.