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#13
11-01-2005, 01:33 PM
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Re: KJs UTG flop decision
having co stay in and call two cold would be significantly better than having co fold and sb and bb call a third bet. Even though the number of bets are the same, this distribution of bets increases your implied odds a lot. Plus sb might still 3 bet. Also there are a decent amount of hands sb calls one more with but not 2.
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#14
11-01-2005, 02:20 PM
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Re: KJs UTG flop decision
The problem is that heros position and the nature of the board are not favorable to implied odds at all. I think when we pick up reasonable implied odds on this hand its when we are offered and take a free card on the turn. Popping the turn when the board completes either of our draws gives the thinking SB a chance to get away from an otherwise showdown worthy hand, whereas he is likely to bet many rivers that are scary into two villians. Finally most of the hands in COs range are folding this flop for 2 anyway.
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#15
11-01-2005, 05:30 PM
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Re: KJs UTG flop decision
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I think when we pick up reasonable implied odds on this hand its when we are offered and take a free card on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] taking a free card on the turn kills our implied odds because it makes our hand transparent.
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#16
11-01-2005, 06:10 PM
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Re: KJs UTG flop decision
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I think basically any hand that SB wouldn't fold for 2 more will 3bet anyway so let him do it for you and give sb( if he has a weaker hand he'd call one with but not 2) or CO a chance to stay in. [/ QUOTE ] This was my thought. I'm happily capping for value given the chance. I'm also happy 3-betting if I think CO or SB are likely to call anyway, or that both are likely to fold even when we don't raise. Given that SB seems solid and CO is far too loose, we seem to get the best parlay by just calling in this situation, no?
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#17
11-01-2005, 06:12 PM
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Re: KJs UTG flop decision
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Party 5/10 short The only good player in this hand is SB, BB and CO are way to loose. BB reasonably aggressive, while CO is on the passive side. I open with KJc UTG, Co calls, button folds, sb raises, bb calls, i call, co calls. Four to a flop of Ac Qh 2c for 6bb. SB leads, bb raises, I raise... [/ QUOTE ] why are you trying to chase people out with no chance of winning without hitting your draw?
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#18
11-01-2005, 06:13 PM
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Re: KJs UTG flop decision
this is an automatic 3 bet for obvious equity reasons.
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#19
11-01-2005, 06:26 PM
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Re: KJs UTG flop decision
Don't sleep on the gutshot draw, easy value raise.
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#20
11-01-2005, 08:39 PM
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Re: KJs UTG flop decision
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Party 5/10 short The only good player in this hand is SB, BB and CO are way to loose. BB reasonably aggressive, while CO is on the passive side. I open with KJc UTG, Co calls, button folds, sb raises, bb calls, i call, co calls. Four to a flop of Ac Qh 2c for 6bb. SB leads, bb raises, I raise... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- why are you trying to chase people out with no chance of winning without hitting your draw? [/ QUOTE ] I'm hoping to take a free card on the turn should i need it. I dont know if raising is correct as i see reasons for calling as well. Both called my raise, the turn was a blank and so was the river. Nobody put any more bets in and BB took the pot with A4o.
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