PLO8 $200: weird river action

[fat_nutz]

$200 PL Omaha Hi/Lo - Thursday, August 25, 00:16:48 EDT 2005 (Real Money)

Seat 1: PAK_1976 ( $251.48 )
Seat 2: Hero ( $185.57 )
Seat 10: gak1981 ( $87.68 )
Seat 3: DrBenway ( $220.50 )
Seat 4: M0NSTERNUTZZ ( $150.55 )
Seat 5: tre21 ( $290.62 )
Seat 9: jmborden ( $74.65 )
tre21 posts small blind [$1].
jmborden posts big blind [$2].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ah Kh 6d 8d ]

gak1981 calls [$2].
PAK_1976 folds.
Hero calls [$2].
DrBenway calls [$2].
M0NSTERNUTZZ folds.
tre21 calls [$1].
jmborden checks.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, 2h, 2c ]

tre21 checks.
jmborden checks.
gak1981 checks.
Hero bets [$6].
DrBenway folds.
tre21 calls [$6].
jmborden calls [$6].
gak1981 folds.

** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]

tre21 checks.
jmborden checks.
Hero checks.

** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]

tre21 bets [$10].
jmborden raises [$56.60].
Hero ?

[Ironman]

Alright...this is going to seem really weak/tight but this is exactly why I stay away from hands like this.

I don't want to be in a position to get the card I'm looking for, have a pot sized bet come back at me, and still not know whether or not I'm WAY behind.

But....since you're obviously a new player...with only 112 posts...stranger [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] (obligatory gay smiley)...I'd say find a reason to fold somewhere during that hand.

Dave

[jthegreat]

I'd guess he either has 98 or he's got a 9 and doesn't know how to read his hand. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Ribbo]

I refer you to Hand history 8 on my website:

Confuscious say....
DON'T CHASE FLUSH WHEN BOARD PAIRS

[fat_nutz]

certainly neither had a FH before the river. And my probe-bet on the flop suggests either a weak deuce in both hands or a couple chasers. Until the MP guy raised, I had been planning to raise EP's obvious trips.

The only hand I can put MP on that beats me is 98.

So should I call?

[Ironman]

I don't know Winter, I just don't like it. I know what you're saying, but it just doesn't feel right.

Those river cards have done me in more often than not when I chase after a bet.

I would like it better if you were the one doing the betting instead of the calling I suppose.

Dave

[Ribbo]

A223 woulda played it that way.

[emptyshell]

You need to fold, unless jmborden is totally irrational. Is he going to raise with trips on a 3-to-flush board? It would be a bit more likely he'd raise with a smaller flush, but that would still be rather bad. Besides that, your pot odds kind of suck and there's someone to act behind you. Take your $8 loss like a man.

[fat_nutz]

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You need to fold, unless jmborden is totally irrational. Is he going to raise with trips on a 3-to-flush board?

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This was my exact thinking. But since the board paired the 9 on the river, a naked 9 might do something this stupid.

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It would be a bit more likely he'd raise with a smaller flush, but that would still be rather bad.

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I didn't considered this possibility at the time--in the world of the thinking, raising w/ a non-nut flush into two players on the river with two pair on the board is about as idiotic as you can get.

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Besides that, your pot odds kind of suck and there's someone to act behind you. Take your $8 loss like a man.

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That's the conclusion I came to (except that I had zero worry about the player left to act behind me, I just figured MP had to have me beat), and so I folded.

EP called, and MP took the pot down with Q-high flush (no other draws, BTW) to EP's trip deuces.

I just posted to see if anyone could make that call there. I think when you read the HH it looks like that raise is pretty much impossible to call... but in the moment I came real close to calling because when that river card came over I felt sure that my hand was good. Whatever, these idiots are just as capable of misplaying a boat as they are thinking trips or a sh!tbag flush is good there. The fold has to be correct.

[fat_nutz]

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A223 woulda played it that way.

[/ QUOTE ] I would never play A223 that way.