QQ One overcard, multiway

[POKhER]

but it mixes up my game!

ok ill raise [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

RAISE JJ PREFLOP DAMMIT! [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Anyhow, how do you play this hand Ad?

[bjarne]

Against this many opponents I'd check the flop and watch the action behind me before deciding how to proceed. The risk of it being checked through on the flop seems very slim with 7 players in a large pot. They'd all have to be amazingly passive to do that.

Also, with 14SB in the pot betting out doesn't protect your hand from anything in case you are ahead and if you are behind betting is just -EV since only a moron would fold a K with a pot this big.

[Nick Royale]

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From the BB, JJ I'm raising 93% of the time and it's winning 2.38BB per hand. That's pretty darn good.
From the SB, JJ I'm raising 92% of the time but it's win rate is 0.53. Not as good certainly, but not bad.

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And you checked only the hands where there were 5 limpers already in?

I don't say raising is wrong (I'm raising) but this way of looking at it certainly ain't good.

Raising JJ preflop here is easy, we had flopped a set!

Seriously, the odds against flopping a set is 7.5:1. We can almost raise for set value (ok, ~the chance of flopping a set AND it holding up is 10:1) but we would like to tie players to the pot the times we hit. Add to that, sometimes JJ will hold up alone. We definately have equity here.

[AdamL]

Because they have such low PFR ag, it's more likely that they limped with something like KJs.

[SocialWelfareIV]

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With 13BB in the pot at the river you only need to be right about 8-9% of the time to break even. If you think you're winning the pot 10% of the time or more then a bet is right here.

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Quick note: for a bet to be right here, you must have the best hand much more than 10% of the time. Against two opponents that will probably call I might guess about 40% of the time. You can call if you're good 10% of the time though.

[Taxmanrick]

I would have played it the same way. No one is really showing you anything. With this many palyers, someone might have the K. Although, it's just as likely they've paired an Ax. Lot of players play any A and will call down with them.

[car ramrod]

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C/F turn in my opinion, Bet one of them has a king... and if not, i reckon you got lucky.

as your posting, prob did have.


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I don't think we should check/fold the turn just assuming someone has a K. I think a check maybe ok to see how the action goes. If it is bet/raise to us, then I can see a fold. But if it goes bet/call/call/call to us, then we can call and feel ok about it.

But I am not just check folding b/c there are 6 people in the pot, so someone has to have us beat. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[CourtJester]

If you dont bet you dont even have a chance of knowing where you are as a late position better might bet w/ 2nd pair. You played it fine. And btw about those jacks completing, wrong, raise em up everytime, you want ppl in so when you hit your set you make INF $$$

[POKhER]

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C/F turn in my opinion, Bet one of them has a king... and if not, i reckon you got lucky.

as your posting, prob did have.


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I don't think we should check/fold the turn just assuming someone has a K. I think a check maybe ok to see how the action goes. If it is bet/raise to us, then I can see a fold. But if it goes bet/call/call/call to us, then we can call and feel ok about it.

<font color="blue">Because of pot odds/implied? or do you honestly think if someone bets we are ahead majority of time to warrent calling? </font>


But I am not just check folding b/c there are 6 people in the pot, so someone has to have us beat. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

<font color="blue"> Sure, But its likly. I'd want to raise and know im ahead or fold becuase i am losing. Calling is least favourite in my opinion. </font>

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[SlantNGo]

Check the river. Flop and turn are fine IMO. I expect to see a lot of people calling here with hands like T9, JT, QJ, etc., and due to the size of the pot, I think a lone Ace is likely as well. On the turn, anyone who called the flop on a straight draw is calling, and someone may have just picked up a flush draw. I bet, and call a raise if it's 18:1 back to me; otherwise, fold to a raise.

On the river, bottom pair just beat you, missed draws aren't going to be calling your bet. Now it's time to check and call.