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Old 07-12-2005, 06:43 AM
bosulli bosulli is offline
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I am having a debate with a non-gambling co-worker about craps.

He believes that betting the “don’t pass line” is better odds than then the “pass line” line. I have always believed they are the same odds.

I could figure it out if I remembered the rules, but I have not played craps since I discovered poker. Can anyone help me out with the odds?
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Old 07-12-2005, 07:57 AM
MickeyHoldem MickeyHoldem is offline
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The pass line wins ~49.29% of the time and loses ~50.71%
this gives the house a 1.41% edge

The don't pass line wins less... ~47.93% and loses ~49.29%
because the don't pass line pushes on a 12... the house edge is only ~1.36%

this makes the don't pass line a slightly better wager.
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Old 07-12-2005, 10:23 AM
PE101 PE101 is offline
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MickeyHoldem is right.

In my opionion, it's more fun to bet with the table.

I'll give up the small difference to not be the bad guy at the table. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 07-12-2005, 01:02 PM
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[ QUOTE ]
The pass line wins ~49.29% of the time and loses ~50.71% this gives the house a 1.41% edge
The don't pass line wins less... ~47.93% and loses ~49.29% because the don't pass line pushes on a 12... the house edge is only ~1.36%
this makes the don't pass line a slightly better wager.

[/ QUOTE ]

I didn't think there was that much of a difference. Check out the rec.gambling FAQ:

http://www.conjelco.com/faq/craps.html

It gives 1.4141% and 1.4026% for pass and don't pass, respectively.
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Old 07-12-2005, 04:31 PM
MickeyHoldem MickeyHoldem is offline
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Yes, my calculation for the don't pass is off... Don't pass should win 949/1925 for 0.492987 and a house edge of 1.402597%

Quick replies with 2 kids screaming for more fruit loops should be avoided.
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Old 07-12-2005, 07:36 PM
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But you have failed to adjust expectation for the buying or laying of odds. Since we know the game has a negative expectation, our optimal strategy is to minimize loss. If you can minimize expected loss based on handle by a factor of 2, it makes other variables (such as dealer error) more interesting (strategically).

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Old 07-28-2005, 12:34 AM
bosulli bosulli is offline
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That answers my question. If you are not into splitting atoms, then the odds are the same.

Appreciate the quality info, and sorry for my belated appreciation.
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