AA small blind - Page 2

jba · #11 06-06-2005, 11:19 PM

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bet and raise relentlessly both preflop and flop. slow down when it starts looking bad. fold sometimes.

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really? that seems stupid, doesnt it? from the SB?

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think of it this way bro

no matter what there's not a lot you can do to "protect" your hand. It's pretty tough to pull off a check raise after raising preflop and having no idea where the bet is coming from. If the bet comes from your left all you can do now is build the pot. as someone else already pointed out you're not the favorite here -- at least you're not winning 50% of the time.

say you're only winning 30% of the time against 8 players (this will totally depend on the flop -- the nightmare JT9s that someone pointed out you're probably hella worse). In some respects it's the same position you're in with a nut flush draw on the flop - you're 2:1 to win the hand so against a bunch of players you want to ram and jam with this huge equity edge, so you bet out to get as much in the pot as possible. One signicant difference is with a nut flush draw you have high implied odds, which means you will be betting and raising liberally on the turn/river if you hit your draw and never paying off with a second best hand. your AA on the other hand has reverse implied odds; even when you have the best hand on the turn/river, you often cannot bet and raise for fear of being beat by straights, flushes, two pair, etc, and you will often make the second best hand. This is another big argument for betting and raising ASAP when you know you're best.

forget about protection. with the best dream c/r possible the button bets you raise and face the field with 19:2 which means the BB on your left can call for a gutshot! before you know it the tag in the CO is calling with ducks what are you protecting against????

bet and raise for value until it starts looking bad, it's maybe as stupid as it sounds

edit: yankees totally suck

Weatherhead03 · #12 06-06-2005, 11:25 PM

I am playing at pacific and its still the exact same [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

MrWookie47 · #13 06-06-2005, 11:26 PM

You don't need to protect every hand. Sometimes you can't. The first and foremost reason you are betting or raising should be value. If you think you have an equity edge, exploit it. Even if someone has odds to draw to a gutshot, trips, two pair, etc., they are still (usually, i.e., without an extrordinary number of players in the hand) paying you money to draw. Would you rather have it checked around and give them a free card? Then they have paid you no money, and they still get to draw. If circumstances are right (good relative position to another preflop aggressor), sometimes you can raise or check/raise for protection as well. If you're the only preflop aggressor, you can't count on this.

Sometimes it is correct to give up a very slight amount of value to exploit a larger edge later. These instances are the exception, not the rule. AA in the SB is not one of those situations. Preflop, you can only have a huge edge. Doing anything other than raising preflop and leading the flop is giving up a helluva lot of value, not just a slight edge.

LargeCents · #14 06-06-2005, 11:47 PM

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Obviously i lost to runner-runner 2 pair because the pot was huge and no one was going anywhere.

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If the table is as you described, runner runner is gonna catch you more times than not no matter what you do. But, you are catching a HUGE pot those times when you actually win. Raise the hell out of it until you know you are beat, then call down anyway, just in case.

I know you took a minor bad beat here, and are looking for a magical remedy from people catching runner runner. There is no remedy, just take your share of the pots and concede when you must. The AA in SB with 6 limpers you describe, it is virtually impossible to misplay this hand without winning big money in the long run. Might as well raise it and get as much as you can out of it.

jimcrow2 · #15 06-06-2005, 11:52 PM

Mr. Wookie, w [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]hat does LRR mean? I looked in the Abbreviations but did not see it.
Thanks.

PuckNPoker · #16 06-06-2005, 11:55 PM

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bet and raise relentlessly both preflop and flop. slow down when it starts looking bad. fold sometimes.

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero folds, CO calls.

jba · #17 06-06-2005, 11:55 PM

limp re-raise. usually done with AA/KK UTG at an aggressive table when almost avery hand is being raised.

jba · #18 06-06-2005, 11:58 PM

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bet and raise relentlessly both preflop and flop. slow down when it starts looking bad. fold sometimes.

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO calls, 3 folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 folds.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero folds, CO calls.

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wow, no way in hell I fold there. 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] maybe

PuckNPoker · #19 06-07-2005, 12:07 AM

I didnt provide reads and I rarely fold AA. But this was a good fold based on the board texture and opponents in the hand. CO was weak-tight (.4 AF after 50 hands, 17% VPIP) and UTG has decent hand selection but low AF. And I've only shown down very very good hands (AA,AQ, AT was about the worst ive shown at this table).

Deamon2 · #20 06-07-2005, 12:10 AM

I'd agree

you're getting 5.5:1, probably chasing for a board pair, an A, or your BDFD. There might even be a chance that someone is getting frisky with someting like AT or QQ (thinking he was being crafty pf). If it was capped coming back (need another player obviously)I'd lay it down because you're definitely drawing slim to none. It looks like there are outs here though