Hand to Talk About

[Zeno]

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this thread is out of control


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I disagree. elysium's post is the only thing out of control within this thread.

-Zeno

[Kevin J]

I think a key to this hand is that you are not likely to garner action from a 3rd nut draw (Td) or worse by betting the flop.

However, if somebody holds the Kd, they are also very likely to have flopped a pair as well. This means a flop bet is unlikely to get called by inferior hands, but some of these same inferior hands might now bet the turn for you. IMO-

This is also why a newbie playing 3-6 should be flamed had he played it exactly the same way. An inferior hand is NOT likely to bet the turn, while the same hand IS much more likely to call on the flop.

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Everyone:

I've only looked at a couple of the posts but will try to get to them tomorrow. But here's my comments and thoughts on this hand.

When playing higher limit games, especially ones that contain a few tough players, it's important to add a little deception into your game.

Now deception can be a very tricky topic. But one thing for sure is that the right time to be deceptive is when your opponents will think that you have played your hand wrong, but the reality is that the theorectical cost of playing the hand that way is minimal. That should be the case here.

There's no question that normally the correct play in this spot is to bet the flop. In fact, given the number of outs that I have, plus the small chance that I could be called by a weaker hand, plus the chance that my bet will pick up the pot, clearly make a flop bet the right play as well as a profitable play. But is it right all the time?

I think Mike l above points out that playing the hand the way I did really costs very little in the long run. I agree. And that's why when this hand came up, it seemed like a good spot to switch to a deceptive strategy. Of course, I should only occasionally do this, and against weaker unaware players that populate many of the low limit games, this play should never be done.

Best wishes,
Mason

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi TTT:

Doesn't it look like I played it like I flopped the nut flush. With a big pair, wouldn't I want to bet a small diamond out of the pot?

best wishes,
Mason

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi TJSWAN:

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I think he would have won this one on the river regardless of another [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hitting or not.

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One thing for sure. If a blank hits on the river it needs to be bet again.

best wishes,
Mason

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Leon:

It's also good to occasionally let some of your opponents know that your checks can also be dangerous.

Best wishes,
Mason

[Mason Malmuth]

HI SS:

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I'm still trying to put a "straight forward" game together so these types of plays are somewhat beyond me.

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You should definitely do that first. Also, when you do start to make some deceptive plays, don't get carried away with them.

best wishes,
Mason

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Babe:

The BB could be on a number of hands. They would range all the way from a total bluff to a king high flush.

Best wishes,
mason

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Scalf:

It's also a game of more than one hand as long as you are against players who are aware of a few things.

best wishes,
Mason

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Mike:

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mason, when you finally post a hand that you lost on the showdown i think we will have much more to discuss.


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I'll look into this and get back to you as soon as I can.

best wishes,
mason