Dealer Tipping @ foxwoods

[Joe Tall]

I almost never tip at Foxwoods and nobody ever says anything. They're just doing their job, they didn't help you win the hand. However, I will say that if a dealer is extremely friendly/funny/livens up the table a little I'll tip him. But never based on the cards he dealt me. To me, that's just admitting that you don't understand the game.

You have no understanding of a live poker game at all.

[BottlesOf]

BURN!

[Rams_Law]

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Hello,

I just wrote what seems like a thesis above.. but Do you really care what other people do as far as tipping? I mean seriously.. Go to the casino to play poker.. thats where your attention should lie..


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I guess one could also justify not tipping waitstaff by claiming "who cares what other people think?" However, I'ld hate to go through life knowing that I'ld nickeled and dimed people who count on tips for their livelihood. Then again, I'm not a cheap, low-life, scumbag like you are.

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Chesspain,

I regularly tip, probably more than I should. That said, your attitude strikes me as one of someone who waited tables in college for beer money, that you would have needed a search party to find to get a drink refill, brought cold food to the table because you were out getting a smoke, and to top it all off thought that a 20% tip was your birthright and anyone who didn't leave it was a cheapa$$ bastard. I'm not saying you are any of those things, but that's the attitude you project, and it puts alot of tipping players off.

Yes a tip is part of the equation and how dealers get paid; it doesn't relieve them of the obligation to work for it.

[chesspain]

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Chesspain,

I regularly tip, probably more than I should. That said, your attitude strikes me as one of someone who waited tables in college for beer money, that you would have needed a search party to find to get a drink refill, brought cold food to the table because you were out getting a smoke, and to top it all off thought that a 20% tip was your birthright and anyone who didn't leave it was a cheapa$$ bastard. I'm not saying you are any of those things, but that's the attitude you project, and it puts alot of tipping players off.


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Wow...you think I'm the one who is projecting here? For what it's worth, I've never worked as a waitperson.

P.S. Whenever I've listened to others attempt to justify their excuses for regularly stiffing individuals whose livelihoods depend on tips, the braggert is almost always just a cheap [censored], regardless of the rationalizations used.

[Neil Stevens]

Establishments have no business dragging the customer into their relationships with their employees.

It's none of the customers' business whether the employees are paid sufficiently. If the pay isn't enough, don't blame the customers!

[chesspain]

You do realize that if dealers, waitstaff, etc. were not customarily tipped, then establishments would have to charge higher prices for their services in order to pay these employees. I actually would prefer a no tipping system, but until this day arrives, at least I don't delude myself into believing that I don't need to tip when individuals who work in these fields count on tips for their livelihood.

[Rams_Law]

You're right, there's more to being a good dealer than speed. Maybe a hybrid, $1 on the button an $1 at the end of the down for intangibles. My main idea is to break the link between a tip and winning a pot. If $1 a pot is it, just add it to the rake and let's stop kidding outselves.

On a side note, what is the custom in Europe (eg, Aviation Club)? Waiter service is often included as a surcharge to the price. From what I've read the AC rake is hefty. Do players tip there?

[Rams_Law]

I'm several things, but a psycologist is not one of them; I wasn't using the word in its clinical sense.

I wrote about this before, but can't find the post to quote it, so I'll summarize: tipping becomes a scam when the recipients refuse to put a dollar value on it, and just ask for "more". I have yet to hear a dealer offer what a fair tip should be. I can only conclude that it is in their be$t intere$t not to put a dollar amount on it, because they do better asking for a fuzzy "whatever you think is appropriate".* That runs the risk that the infrequent player will think that $0 is appropriate, so there is this rear-guard action to shame those people and limit the slippage.

* It is not from their benevolence that the butcher and baker provide you your sustanance, but from their regard for their own self-interest. - paraphrased from Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations

I notice you didn't have anything to say about dealers earning their tips/pay. Like I said in another post, lets see some (even anonymous) time and play statements, and we can have an informed discussion about whether a they make more or less than what someone in a job requiring a HS diploma and 5 weeks of school is worth.

You know, I tip dealers; I'm probably on your side of this issue, and you're successfully pissing me off.

[regisd]

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This may be just rumor, but I have heard from a few different people (on this board and at the 'Woods) that the dealers voted FOR tip pooling-- it wasn't a management decision, they left it up to the dealers. I see no reason why they'd vote this way so don't ask me to explain it; just passing the information along.

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i believe the vote was among *all* the dealers, not just poker dealers. which explains why the bulk of dealers would vote to pool tips.