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#41
06-22-2005, 01:09 PM
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Re: I\'m drunk, don\'t hold this post against me . . .
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[ QUOTE ] Also for your information if you are found carrying over 10k cash it can be confiscated no questions asked. [/ QUOTE ] What happened to America? I miss it. TSP 
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#42
06-22-2005, 01:43 PM
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Re: I\'m drunk, don\'t hold this post against me . . .
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They can confisicate anything over $10,000 until you prove where it came from NQA. i.e. if you are carrying 10,002 all they can take is $2. [/ QUOTE ] What exactly is the law regarding this? Where can I find it? I was having a debate regarding this with a friend of mine recently. He felt that it was not legal to carry around such large sums of money, and I told him that that's absurd.
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#43
06-22-2005, 03:53 PM
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Re: I\'m drunk, don\'t hold this post against me . . .
You won't easily find and digest it (maybe you will but its subtle and implicates a lot more than the following sections- this is only a brief example of one area of law- federal drug laws- other areas like smuggling and terroism have similar provisions), but long story short 21 U.S.C. § 881(a)(6) authorizes the forfeiture of "[a]ll moneys * * * furnished or intended to be furnished by any person in exchange for a controlled substance * * *, all proceeds traceable to such an exchange, and all moneys * * * used or intended to be used to facilitate" illegal drug activities.
Furthermore, 21 U.S.C. § 881(b) provides for the seizure of assets without a warrant in certain situations, one of which is "(4) the Attorney General has probable cause to believe that the property is subject to civil forfeiture under this subchapter." This is OK because this section provides for a "prompt" hearing in which the Goverment must prove they had 'probable cause" to seize the assets wihtout a warrant (if they got a warrant they established probable cause to the judge who issued the warrant), thus satifying the consitutional protection against the deprivation of property without due process of law. Unwarranted seizure doesn't happen as much anymore since the Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000, which makes it harder for the Government to justify seizure and provides remedies to someone whose property is illegaly seized, amongst other things, but warrantless seizure is still authorized by federal law. Unless you have drugs on you or you look and act like a complete whackjob seizure won't even be on the radar but warrantless seizure of cash and other property *can* happen in certain (thankfully rare) circumstances. criminal law is some scary sh!t
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#45
06-22-2005, 04:41 PM
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Re: I\'m drunk, don\'t hold this post against me . . .
I remember seeing something like this on one of those news shows (20/20, 60 minutes, etc..) a couple of years ago.
The one I remember goes: big ugly back country-type guy just sold his tractor for cash, goes to take a flight to visit friend, pulls out big wad of 100's to pay for ticket. When he gets off said flight, he is pulled aside and searched, big wad is confiscated. He can't get it back until he proves where he got the cash (onus is on him), a process so convoluted that the legal fees would eat most/all of said wad.
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#46
06-22-2005, 04:49 PM
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Re: I\'m drunk, don\'t hold this post against me . . .
Yeah, media coverage of stories scary like that is what led to the Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000 (which amongst other things placed the burden of proof on the Government, not the person whose property was seized). But the existing state of seizure law is still problematic from a civil liberties perspective.
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#47
06-23-2005, 03:41 PM
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Re: I\'m drunk, don\'t hold this post against me . . .
You might think its dumb untill your 20000 grand is taken and you have fly all the why back to Jersey to prove you won a poker tourney to get it back. Lesson: dont cash the check or if paid in cash have it put in check from ie travelers check and these new prepaid debt cards are cool. Or just open a account at a national bank and withdraw the daybefore you need it. Plus walking around with twenty or thirty grand was the dumbest thing I did next to taking the moneyline for the Spurs in game 6 the other nite!
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#48
06-23-2005, 03:47 PM
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Re: BIG CHIPS
The casino will post a notice saying something like this
AS OF JUNE 23 2005 the following chip(s) will no longer be acceppted at this establishment picture of chip(s) usually posted at least two months bfore said date
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#49
06-23-2005, 03:56 PM
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Re: I\'m drunk, don\'t hold this post against me . . .
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You might think its dumb untill your 20000 grand is taken and you have fly all the why back to Jersey to prove you won a poker tourney to get it back. Lesson: dont cash the check or if paid in cash have it put in check from ie travelers check and these new prepaid debt cards are cool. Or just open a account at a national bank and withdraw the daybefore you need it. Plus walking around with twenty or thirty grand was the dumbest thing I did next to taking the moneyline for the Spurs in game 6 the other nite! [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] 20000 grand is 20 million and I don't think you're writing in sentences regardless whoops on the Spurs have a nice day.
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