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06-26-2005, 01:33 AM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: \"Amazingly Standard\" AQ?
Jason, I don't really understand this at all. The hand is standard because your opponent is bad, will call previous streets with worse hands and by the time will get to the river the pot is big enough for you to snap off a bluff. Hands like this happen all the time - it sucks that you didn't think this was standard, but now it's in your repetoire. There simply isn't much "why" in a hand like this because not much is going on.
-SmileyEH 
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06-26-2005, 01:40 AM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: \"Amazingly Standard\" AQ?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] this is standard for me also [/ QUOTE ] But can you say why? [/ QUOTE ] "why" [/ QUOTE ] 1. Not funny. 2. Not original. 3. Not correct as I didn't say "But can you say 'why'?" [/ QUOTE ] About as funny as the ever so used and abused "can you see why" quote. While we are attacking each others posts though, i find it ironic that the man who thought it was nessesary to start a "State of the forum" post is also the one asking the question of how to play AQ out of position. I see both a pot and a kettle, hmmm. Have a nice day.
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06-26-2005, 01:34 AM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: \"Amazingly Standard\" AQ?
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[ QUOTE ] this is standard for me also [/ QUOTE ] But can you say why? [/ QUOTE ] are you only unsure about river? villians stats give him a range wide enough that he could be calling with a lot of hands you're ahead of. also, he is aggressive enough that that there is a chance he will bluff this river when checked to. his aggressiveness also makes me think he might have raised on previous streets with a made hand. the jack isnt the best card to come off, but its better than a diamond or king.
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06-26-2005, 05:08 AM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: \"Amazingly Standard\" AQ?
I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I don't even know you, but I hate you. I hate your guts. I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and only to you.
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06-26-2005, 02:40 PM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: \"Amazingly Standard\" AQ?
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I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I don't even know you, but I hate you. I hate your guts. I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and only to you. [/ QUOTE ] What does the avatar/name mean? Who is silky?
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06-26-2005, 07:22 PM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: \"Amazingly Standard\" AQ?
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[ QUOTE ] I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I don't even know you, but I hate you. I hate your guts. I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and only to you. [/ QUOTE ] What does the avatar/name mean? Who is silky? [/ QUOTE ] Chappelle.
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06-27-2005, 02:15 AM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: \"Amazingly Standard\" AQ?
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[ QUOTE ] I hate you. I hate you. I hate you. I don't even know you, but I hate you. I hate your guts. I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and only to you. [/ QUOTE ] What does the avatar/name mean? Who is silky? [/ QUOTE ] If you're a fan of the Chapelle's Show, Silky is the Hater of the Year Award recipient.
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#8
06-26-2005, 05:46 AM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: \"Amazingly Standard\" AQ?
ok, everybody writes this is standard. i will try to argue against it.
flop: the flop is low, but: its suited and you are up against 3 opponents. the likelihood that someone has a flush draw is roughly 50% and about the same for someone having a pair. even if the flop missed everybody you will get at least one caller anyway pretty often. and a player as passive (pre flop) as villain might have AK or a pocket pair, which he wont fold probably. turn: after calling the flop, villain probably has a diamond draw, a pair, AK or or a pocket pair. he wont fold any of these hands. river: after calling cold preflop and calling flop and turn, he is very likely to have something. if he has 2 broadway cards he has you beat (unless he has exactly KQ). if he has a connector he has you beat as well. if he has a pocket pair he has you beat. the only possibility that he has a weaker hand is KQ or Ax of diamonds with an x that doesn't match the board. sounds like a fold, doesn't it? discuss.
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06-26-2005, 07:40 AM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: \"Amazingly Standard\" AQ?
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ok, everybody writes this is standard. i will try to argue against it. flop: the flop is low, but: its suited and you are up against 3 opponents. the likelihood that someone has a flush draw is roughly 50% and about the same for someone having a pair. even if the flop missed everybody you will get at least one caller anyway pretty often. and a player as passive (pre flop) as villain might have AK or a pocket pair, which he wont fold probably. turn: after calling the flop, villain probably has a diamond draw, a pair, AK or or a pocket pair. he wont fold any of these hands. river: after calling cold preflop and calling flop and turn, he is very likely to have something. if he has 2 broadway cards he has you beat (unless he has exactly KQ). if he has a connector he has you beat as well. if he has a pocket pair he has you beat. the only possibility that he has a weaker hand is KQ or Ax of diamonds with an x that doesn't match the board. sounds like a fold, doesn't it? discuss. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this. I think this hand is a lot closer and a lot less standard than people are making it appear. It may be standard for people to play the hand the way I played it; that doesn't it means it's correct nor not complex. As Mason alluded to in one of his essays, a lot of players are capable of making the correct decisions in Hold'em, but not realizing why they are correct and not realizing the subtelty involved in their decisions.
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06-26-2005, 09:41 AM
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Re: Daily Hand Post: \"Amazingly Standard\" AQ?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] ok, everybody writes this is standard. i will try to argue against it. flop: the flop is low, but: its suited and you are up against 3 opponents. the likelihood that someone has a flush draw is roughly 50% and about the same for someone having a pair. even if the flop missed everybody you will get at least one caller anyway pretty often. and a player as passive (pre flop) as villain might have AK or a pocket pair, which he wont fold probably. turn: after calling the flop, villain probably has a diamond draw, a pair, AK or or a pocket pair. he wont fold any of these hands. river: after calling cold preflop and calling flop and turn, he is very likely to have something. if he has 2 broadway cards he has you beat (unless he has exactly KQ). if he has a connector he has you beat as well. if he has a pocket pair he has you beat. the only possibility that he has a weaker hand is KQ or Ax of diamonds with an x that doesn't match the board. sounds like a fold, doesn't it? discuss. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with this. I think this hand is a lot closer and a lot less standard than people are making it appear. It may be standard for people to play the hand the way I played it; that doesn't it means it's correct nor not complex. As Mason alluded to in one of his essays, a lot of players are capable of making the correct decisions in Hold'em, but not realizing why they are correct and not realizing the subtelty involved in their decisions. [/ QUOTE ] i go one step further: As john feeney alluded to in one of his essays, a lot of players are capable of making the wrong decisions in Hold'em, but not realizing why they are wrong and not realizing the subtelty involved in their decisions. i don't want to state that you played the hand wrong (i think you did, but i am not sure). i just want to say that i am sure there are many standard plays that are incorrect.
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