OJ angry with Nicole

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You don't know he did it. You just know that the evidence you've seen convinces you he did.

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You could toss out 95% of the evidence and I'd still "Know" he did it.

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I'm no more irritable than the average person, I'm just more observant. You'd be pissed off too, if you were paying attention.

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You could toss out 95% of the evidence and I'd still "Know" he did it.

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Eliminate all the blood evidence at the scence, the blood on the gate was found I believe 3 weeks later. Vanatter carries a vile of OJs blood around with him in his pocket. LA crime scene procedures changed drastically after that case due to that case. A tacit admission that the crime scene procedures left a lot to be desired. Eliminate the evidence gathered due to a racist cop who bragged about planting evidence. Eliminate blood on a sock found in a bedroom that was found a fair amount of time after the original search of the OJ's Brentwood mansion. Question as to how someone who committed this crime would almost have to be a bloody mess having the victems blood all over themselves yet nobody can seem to find evidence to corroborate this. The blood evidence on the Bronco didn't indicate that Simpson had blood all over him. Take an LA police department who many in the LA community believe is corrupt. It all adds up to a jury stating that the guy isn't guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They come to this conclusion after a 9 month trial in 3 hours.

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Eliminate all the blood evidence at the scence, the blood on the gate was found I believe 3 weeks later. Vanatter carries a vile of OJs blood around with him in his pocket.

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Why on earth should we eliminate "all the blood evidence at the scene"?

According to http://www.crimelibrary.com/notoriou..._4.html?sect=7 , Lange "followed the bloody footprints and blood drops to the back gate, where he noticed two small drops of blood on its inside lower rung," between 7 and 9 AM. In other words, within a few hours of responding. Since they had to respond in the middle of the night, it is not unreasonable that they would notice more drops of blood once the sun had risen.

OK, Vanatter had a vial of OJ's blood. I'm not at all inclined to believe that a guy with 20+ years on the job, with a spotless record, got up that morning with the intent to frame somebody he never met, in a case where there was PLENTY of evidence. But I'll join you in your fantasy world, and I'll pretend that Vanatter has this vial of blood, and he sees this as a golden oppurtunity to sprinkle a drop here and there.

Now, where should he sprinkle?

On the back gate? Too late, Simpson's blood has already been found there.

Next to the bloody footprints? Too late, it has already been found there, too.

In the Bronco? Why bother? The VICTIMS' blood is already there! He wasn't carrying a vial of their blood too, was he?

And it's ridiculous to accuse him of "carrying around" this evidence, this vial of blood. He didn't take it shopping. It was hand-delivered to him, the lead detective, immediately, because that was the S.O.P. at the time.

What he did next would come to haunt him in the months ahead, and his action would result in massive criticism of his work ethic and his involvement in a grand conspiracy to frame O.J. Simpson for the double murders by using blood from the vial to contaminate the crime scenes. In fact, his actions were based on the necessity to follow correct procedures and get the blood sample into the evidence chain as quickly as possible.

Within the LAPD a system is used to catalogue for record-keeping purposes, based on what is known as DR or Division of Records Number. The lead detective in an investigation gives details of his case to the Division in which the crime occurs. The detective is then allocated a DR number under which all record keeping is catalogued. At all times, reports circulating within an investigation must carry a DR number and {nothing} can be booked as evidence at the LAPD Property Division unless it is accompanied by the appropriate DR number. The Brown/Goldman murder inquiry would be allocated two numbers, one for each victim, although the investigation would be carried out using DR number 94-0817431, the one allocated to Nicole.

Dennis Fung, the criminalist, was responsible for the cataloguing, collection, and sequencing of evidence at both crime scenes. He had, in fact, booked the very first evidence that morning before 8:00 a.m., on the Ford Bronco. Before the blood taken from Simpson could be sent for analysis, it had to be catalogued by Dennis Fung.

Vannatter drove out back to Simpson's home, arriving at 5:16 p.m. The two criminalists had by this time finished their work and collected all their samples at Rockingham Avenue and where preparing to leave.

Detective Vannatter handed the evidence envelope containing the vial of blood to Dennis Fung. It was in an 8 1/2 by 11-inch grey, blood collection envelope. Fung checked the contents and then wrote on the outside of the envelope,"Received from Vannatter on 6-13-94 at 1720 hours." He passed it over to his assistant, Mazzola, to put inside the LAPD's crime scene truck. At that point, in accordance with state law, standard operating procedures and LAPD regulations, the chain of custody transferring the blood as evidence from Detective Phil Vannatter over to criminalist Dennis Fung was completed, by the book.

This was done in full view of reporters and the media film crews gathered around the Rockingham estate, who recorded on video tape the detective walking into the estate carrying the grey envelope, its actual transfer to Fung, and then Mazzola carrying it in a black evidence bag into the truck.

Simpson's lawyers would make a big deal of this simple procedural action.

--from http://www.crimelibrary.com/notoriou..._4.html?sect=7

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LA crime scene procedures changed drastically after that case due to that case. A tacit admission that the crime scene procedures left a lot to be desired.

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No, it was a tacit admission that Johnnie Cochran could use the procedures to his advantage. Now, more time-consuming, money-consuming, repetitive, wasteful procedures are in place. Before this trial, the old procedures had never been called into question. But the Dream Team was so successful in convincing 12 people (and apparently, you too) of a load of [censored], that steps had to be taken to idiot-proof the procedures (sincerely, I mean no offense to you with the "idiot-proof" comment--I'm speaking of future juries).

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Eliminate the evidence gathered due to a racist cop who bragged about planting evidence.

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What evidence did he plant?

You don't mean the right-hand glove, do you? That's silly. Look at the facts:

--At least a half-dozen cops (probably closer to 20, but my 15 minutes of research can only confirm five or six) arrived at the crime scene before Furman did. How many of them saw two gloves at the crime scene? Exactly ZERO.

--Oh, they're all lying? There were TWO gloves at the scene? OK, I'm stepping back into fantasy world again. In fantasy world, Furman gathered all these cops into a huddle. This huddle included guys like Lange and Vanatter, guys with 20+ years on the job. Guys who had never met Furman before in their lives, never even heard of him. And Furman said to these guys, "Look, fellas, I need a big favor. Even though we haven't yet identified the two WHITE victims, I want to take some of the evidence from this crime scene, so I can plant it in case we come up with a BLACK suspect. I hate black people. Don't listen to any of my long-time black partners, who insist they never got any sort of racist vibe off of me; nor all those black civilians who love me, for all the help and support that THEY SAY I've given them in cases I've worked involving them. Fact is, I hate black people, even though no black people that I've ever come into contact with can be found to say that they even suspect as much. And even though we don't have any suspects yet, because this investigation is still in its opening minutes, there MIGHT BE a black person involved. So I'm going to take one of these two gloves--you know, the TWO gloves that no one in the real world has seen--and hang on to it, so I can plant it if the oppurtunity arises.

"Now you guys don't know me from Adam, but would you all mind putting your careers, livelihoods, and reputations on the line, and play along with this?"

Is that what you think happened?

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Eliminate blood on a sock found in a bedroom that was found a fair amount of time after the original search of the OJ's Brentwood mansion.

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OK, I just read about the sock. This story sounds a little fishy, even to me! It's probably innocent, but's so convoluted, I'll agree with you: let's throw it out!

Tossing out this piece of evidence is like tossing a deck chair off the Queen Mary.

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Question as to how someone who committed this crime would almost have to be a bloody mess having the victems blood all over themselves yet nobody can seem to find evidence to corroborate this.

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The victims' blood turning up in the Bronco and at the Rockingham house isn't evidence of this???

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The blood evidence on the Bronco didn't indicate that Simpson had blood all over him.

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But you'll at least grant that it DOES indicate that the victims' blood was at least ON HIM? Isn't that enough?

He was THERE, when the blood was spilled. That's the ballgame. Thank you all for coming, drive home safely.

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Take an LA police department who many in the LA community believe is corrupt.

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So there isn't one honest cop in the bunch? You don't really believe that, do you?

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It all adds up to a jury stating that the guy isn't guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They come to this conclusion after a 9 month trial in 3 hours.

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I can't refute that. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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The only problem that I have with that theory is that the state of California spent one hell of a lot more money trying to convict him than he spent on his defense.

Just think of the disadvantage that most folks accused of a crime are up against.

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Eliminate all the blood evidence at the scene, the blood on the gate was found I believe 3 weeks later. Vanatter carries a vile of OJs blood around with him in his pocket.

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You are implying that Simpson was framed, not possibly framed, but that Vannatter (and Furhman, "a racist cop") framed Simpson. And as we all know, if Simpson wasn't framed, then he MUST be guilty.

Well, if you are right and he was framed, then why didn't Simpson ever mention he was being framed in his suicide note? And why didn't he mention he was being framed to the media prior to his arrest? Or during the Bronco chase? [pssst, I'll give you a hint, it's the same reason why Johnny Cochran never flat-out accused the LAPD of framing Simpson. Lol ]

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It all adds up to a jury stating that the guy isn't guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

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Simpson Criminal-Trial Juror Carrie Bass said on NBC's Dateline on January 16, 1996: "Im sorry, O.J. would have to go if the prosecution had presented that case different, without a doubt. As a black woman, that would have hurt me. But as a human being, I would have to do what I have to do."