2/4 AA

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Jason,

I just call the river against an unknown. He is taking a fairly weird line if he has filled up. I suspect alot of times we are against a pair with a busted draw of some sort. Sometimes QQ.

The thing that makes me legitimately wary of a full house is the silly line he took. People get weird with big hands.

Against some players I would not mind the raise on the river. It is just that right here I don't think we know enough about our opponent to even begin to know if it +EV or not.

Keeping in mind of course that I am fairly conservative. So I would not make that raise, but I am willing to acknowledge theere will be many times it is correct. Just right here we do not have enough info.

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Yeah I hadn't noticed that why would villian not cap a full house yet raise the river? That is weird.

[flair1239]

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Jason,

I just call the river against an unknown. He is taking a fairly weird line if he has filled up. I suspect alot of times we are against a pair with a busted draw of some sort. Sometimes QQ.

The thing that makes me legitimately wary of a full house is the silly line he took. People get weird with big hands.

Against some players I would not mind the raise on the river. It is just that right here I don't think we know enough about our opponent to even begin to know if it +EV or not.

Keeping in mind of course that I am fairly conservative. So I would not make that raise, but I am willing to acknowledge theere will be many times it is correct. Just right here we do not have enough info.

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Yeah I hadn't noticed that why would villian not cap a full house yet raise the river? That is weird.

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Yeah, that alone is enough to make me call the raise (so maybe it is a good line). I admit I am too conservative (read passive) in the face of aggression sometimes; but unless I am comfortable with this opponent, I don't see the 3-bet... I say that believing that we are ahead in this hand a lot more that some people are giving credit for.

To be specific, without a read it will be to tempting to call the river cap, and against a aggressive donkish player type we might have too. Against a standard or passive player type, the 3-bet is spewing. So anyway, I am just not going to put myself in that situation.

[B Dids]

I think you have to give an unknown credit for enough here to just call the river.

Also- no killing yourself.

[private joker]

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The river three-bet is spewing and you know it.

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[Paxosmotic]

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Why on God's green earth would you call a cap? Look at the board. There's zero chance you're ahead of someone who caps.

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You don't 3-bet a pot reaching this size without capping. If you have a good enough hand where you're willing to 3-bet this river, you are paying off a cap. Hero's getting like 16:1 or something at that point.

[brettbrettr]

I understand the big pot one bet thing. But it is not absolute. There are times when you can fold. They are few but they exist. I think this is one of them.

[Paxosmotic]

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I understand the big pot one bet thing. But it is not absolute. There are times when you can fold. They are few but they exist. I think this is one of them.

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I just think that when presented with the opportunity to completely end the action on the hand, if hero feels his hand is strong enough to pass that up and 3-bet, then he has to be willing to call if capped. If he doesn't think he's got >50% equity, he needs to just call the raise.

[brettbrettr]

Lets not talk about this hand specifically b/c I think we all think his 3 bet was bad.

But there are situations where I think the opposite of this:
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if hero feels his hand is strong enough to pass that up and 3-bet, then he has to be willing to call if capped.

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Once the other guy 3-bets Hero's thoughts about his hand change, drastically too. Later I'll look through PT and try to find some but I think there are definitely river raises that should be folds to a 3 bet.

[jason_t]

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Oh. Why on earth would Jason take this line intending to call a cap? Jason, wtf?

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Because he could still be overplaying JT. Here is a situation where I raised and folded to a 3-bet for comparison.

[brettbrettr]

See, exactly. This is a spot where raissing and folding to a 3 bet works.