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#31
01-19-2005, 02:26 PM
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Re: Played like a girlie-man? 2-4 party, trip T\'s
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Preflop: Fold Flop: Bet Turn: Bet, 3-bet! River: If BB leads this street after your turn 3-bet, I just call. If he checks, bet. [/ QUOTE ] You really fold this pre-flop? What's your VP$IP%? I'm around 19%, and I play this here for sure.. I'd fold it UTG on a tight table, but am definitely coming to play from MP2 with a limper.. 
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#33
01-19-2005, 02:39 PM
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Re: Played like a girlie-man? 2-4 party, trip T\'s
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[ QUOTE ] kIf you're that sure he'll fold for two, what makes you so sure he'll call one? And I'm positive he doesn't have AcKc. But if he did have two clubs why wouldn't you wan't him to fold? [/ QUOTE ] I dont think he had AcKc either. What I said is that AcKc is the only possible hand where I could see him cold-calling 2 on the turn check-raise (and me 3-betting). [/ QUOTE ] Low-limit players will have a 4, an A, any pair, or overcards too. And they'll call 2 more on the turn too. Not always, but enough times that you should 3-bet here. [ QUOTE ] My read was that the button was on a weak draw at best, and would fold easily. [/ QUOTE ] Low-limit players like to call. They hate laying down hands that have a chance to win. So they'll call with a 4, hoping to make a FH on the river and beat your overpair. They'll call with an A, hoping to hit on the river and win. They'll call with a pair, hoping to make a FH on the river and beat your trip T's. [ QUOTE ] I put the BB check-raise on a made full house, very strong draw (like AcKc), or trips like me. [/ QUOTE ] Here's his range of hands, and your best options: A - Full house. Call the turn. B - Draw. 3-bet the turn. C - Trip T's. 3-bet the turn. Notice that your best option against this range of hands is to 3-bet the turn. I didn't take the time to do a weighted average of all FH/draw/trips hands, but it's clear that FH has the smallest number of possible holdings, so this makes the turn 3-bet even more clear with your read.
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#34
01-19-2005, 02:41 PM
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One more point
From your original post:
[ QUOTE ] So now I'm check-raised on the turn by the BB. To me, this usually means a monster hand (especially when we're not headsup). [/ QUOTE ] You were check-raised by a monster. You just have to realize that you have a bigger monster.
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#35
01-19-2005, 02:42 PM
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Re: Played like a girlie-man? 2-4 party, trip T\'s
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[ QUOTE ] Preflop: Fold [/ QUOTE ] Forget folding, I like raising!!! Calling is the worst option of the 3 IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Personally, I fold A9o and raise AJo. ATo, I limp. Maybe I'll get to a game where raising ATo would knock out an AJ and so I'd raise, but at this level I think AJ cold-calls and so I don't see the value in raising ATo..
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#37
01-19-2005, 02:52 PM
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Re: Played like a girlie-man? 2-4 party, trip T\'s
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You really fold this pre-flop? What's your VP$IP%? I'm around 19%, and I play this here for sure.. I'd fold it UTG on a tight table, but am definitely coming to play from MP2 with a limper.. [/ QUOTE ] I usually only play ATo as an open raise from later position. Or from the SB for 1/2 a bet.
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#38
01-19-2005, 02:53 PM
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Re: Played like a girlie-man? 2-4 party, trip T\'s
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You do realize that you held the Ac right? Not that it really matters here. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, sorry -- was more just thinking theoretically, you know? Like what hand would he actually cold-call 2 w/, and the only one that made sense was the nut flush draw with big overcard draws.. So :%s/AcKc/KcQc/g [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#39
01-19-2005, 03:17 PM
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Re: Played like a girlie-man? 2-4 party, trip T\'s
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I don't see the value in raising ATo.. [/ QUOTE ] The value of raising is that you likely have a better hand against any limpers and you would rather play ATo 2 or 3 handed rather than 5 or 6 handed.
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#40
01-19-2005, 03:41 PM
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Re: Played like a girlie-man? 2-4 party, trip T\'s
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[ QUOTE ] I don't see the value in raising ATo.. [/ QUOTE ] The value of raising is that you likely have a better hand against any limpers and you would rather play ATo 2 or 3 handed rather than 5 or 6 handed. [/ QUOTE ] I only want it 2-3 handed instead of 5-6 handed if those 2-3 folded hands were better than ATo. If they folded worse hands, then don't I want to call and have them limp? And that goes back to the question: Will the 2-4 player cold-call 2 w/ AJo to my ATo pre-flop raise? I tend to think they will.. If I'm going to be dominated, don't I want as many people in the pot as possible? That way I have better implied odds for my 1 card nut flush, straight, two pair, etc.. ? And with 5 people to act after me pre-flop (MP3, CO, Button, SB, & BB), I'm not so sure I have a better hand, hence the limp.
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