Are online poker rooms rigged???

[Sephus]

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Kurn perhaps your right, I dont know a god damn thing about poker. Or maybe im just a stupid fish who loses ALL the time and complains???

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and maybe there's a REASON we think that????

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Wrong, I know how to play poker. Am I pro? No. and neither is anyone.

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a lot of people make a good living playing poker. i call them pros.

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I lost with AA, In fact ive lost alot of times with aces. My whole problem is how does a passive player decide to call a BBx10 raise preflop with a 68o. How is that???

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i lose with AA all the time. it's called GAMBLING. i win more often than i lose. woohoo!

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I respect your post Kurn, and maybe i should post some hands to prove I did not play anything wrong. And they were indeed bad beats. AND the bad beats come in spurts.

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WOW you had BAD BEATS! you were 80% to win and you DIDN'T. HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN??

and your attitude is horrible. instead of posting hands to prove you're a good player, post some hands to find out why you're NOT a good player. over the long and usually the short haul, GOOD PLAYERS WIN. BAD PLAYERS LOSE.

[quoute]Oh yeah, and for the record. I have folded AA and KK, knowing I was outdrawn.

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yeah well at least you know you're not playing 2-card stud.

[helpmeout]

This is a pretty funny thread.

Anyway I am also a new player, only been playing for a couple of months.

I turned $50 into $300 playing micros, I also had some decent tourney results.

I thought I was a decent player, but in reality I am still only a beginner.

Of course when I moved up to 50c/$1 games I thought it would still be easy and playing more tourneys would eventually result in a lot more money.

Well of course my results became poor, I have played in a lot of tourneys with nothing to show.

I realised that there is a huge amount to learn when it comes to playing in tourneys and you still need a lot of luck to get in the money.

I mean any idiot can play tight and make raises preflop with premium cards then whine when they suffer from a bad beat. If you are 4/1 favourite preflop then you still have a good chance to lose. Make the same play 5 times and its likely you will bust out.

BTW if you want to be good then you need to study and practice all the time. I don't know how long it takes to be considered good but I'd think it would be the same as for any professional athlete or person.

Just because you dont play hands like J3o doesn't mean you are good. There is still so much to learn.

[Desdia72]

Queens killed on the river 4 straight times, 3 of those times were to dealt out straights (all were all-ins, giving no one a chance to get odds to hit a straight). i'm trying to get the 4TH hand from the two-table SNG i played under her ID where the Queens got cracked on the river (this hand was one of the straights).

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PokerStars Game #721196059: Tournament #2802989, Hold'em No Limit - Level II
(15/30) - 2004/09/26 - 03:16:21 (ET)
Table '2802989 1' Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: babylove (2565 in chips)
Seat 4: babybic (2780 in chips)
Seat 5: ReighnStorm (980 in chips)
Seat 6: Gremlock (2450 in chips)
Seat 7: codyman7 (1605 in chips)
Seat 8: ZonaCntrlr (1250 in chips)
Seat 9: grizfan03 (1870 in chips)
ZonaCntrlr: posts small blind 15
grizfan03: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ReighnStorm [Qs Qh]
babylove: calls 30
babybic: folds
ReighnStorm: raises 950 to 980 and is all-in
Gremlock: calls 980
codyman7: folds
ZonaCntrlr: folds
grizfan03: folds
babylove: folds
*** FLOP *** [Jd 7h 8d]
*** TURN *** [Jd 7h 8d] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 7h 8d Th] [Ks]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ReighnStorm: shows [Qs Qh] (a pair of Queens)
Gremlock: shows [Kd Ad] (a pair of Kings)
Gremlock collected 2035 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2035 | Rake 0
Board [Jd 7h 8d Th Ks]
Seat 1: babylove folded before Flop
Seat 4: babybic folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ReighnStorm showed [Qs Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: Gremlock showed [Kd Ad] and won (2035) with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: codyman7 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ZonaCntrlr (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: grizfan03 (big blind) folded before Flop

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PokerStars Game #721160795: Tournament #2802066, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII
(200/400) - 2004/09/26 - 02:55:11 (ET)
Table '2802066 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: S$MEDAY (14467 in chips)
Seat 3: Batman538 (2940 in chips)
Seat 4: ReighnStorm (1405 in chips)
Seat 6: Anroca (3633 in chips)
Seat 8: Taouil (4555 in chips)
S$MEDAY: posts the ante 25
Batman538: posts the ante 25
ReighnStorm: posts the ante 25
Anroca: posts the ante 25
Taouil: posts the ante 25
Taouil: posts small blind 200
S$MEDAY: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ReighnStorm [Qh Qd]
Batman538: folds
ReighnStorm: raises 980 to 1380 and is all-in
Anroca: calls 1380
Taouil: folds
S$MEDAY: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks 8h 7s]
*** TURN *** [Ks 8h 7s] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 8h 7s Js] [9c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ReighnStorm: shows [Qh Qd] (a pair of Queens)
Anroca: shows [Th Ac] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
Anroca collected 3485 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3485 | Rake 0
Board [Ks 8h 7s Js 9c]
Seat 1: S$MEDAY (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Batman538 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ReighnStorm showed [Qh Qd] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 6: Anroca (button) showed [Th Ac] and won (3485) with a straight, Seven to
Jack
Seat 8: Taouil (small blind) folded before Flop

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PokerStars Game #720514280: Tournament #2799652, Hold'em No Limit -
Level IV (50/100) - 2004/09/25 - 22:26:28 (ET)
Table '2799652 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: dinozzi (1185 in chips)
Seat 3: dober8 (2400 in chips)
Seat 4: periwinkle (240 in chips)
Seat 5: Taaz (1325 in chips)
Seat 6: theorem (2100 in chips)
Seat 7: MalcTom (1750 in chips)
Seat 8: Desdia72 (990 in chips)
Seat 9: dragonlance8 (3510 in chips)
periwinkle: posts small blind 50
Taaz: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Desdia72 [Qd Qh]
theorem: folds
MalcTom: raises 100 to 200
Desdia72: raises 790 to 990 and is all-in
dragonlance8: folds
dinozzi: folds
dober8: folds
periwinkle: folds
Taaz: folds
MalcTom: calls 790
*** FLOP *** [4c 2h Jc]
*** TURN *** [4c 2h Jc] [3d]
*** RIVER *** [4c 2h Jc 3d] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MalcTom: shows [Jd Ad] (a straight, Ace to Five)
Desdia72: shows [Qd Qh] (a pair of Queens)
MalcTom collected 2130 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2130 | Rake 0
Board [4c 2h Jc 3d 5d]
Seat 2: dinozzi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: dober8 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: periwinkle (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Taaz (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: theorem folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: MalcTom showed [Jd Ad] and won (2130) with a straight, Ace to
Five
Seat 8: Desdia72 showed [Qd Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: dragonlance8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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[willie]

definitely gotta learn to just suck it up and deal with it, keep gettin your money in the middle with the best and hope it holds up

heres one from a multi last night

reraise an mp raised cause i have kk

flop is k high, i check to trap, he bets i smooth call.

turn is a jack, i check, he bets, i min raise, he calls.
river is a jack. i put him in with kings full, and lose to quad jacks, perfect perfect

just laugh these things off an deal with it man, it's a cruel cruel game sometimes.

[Matt Ruff]

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I play passive aggressive poker

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Passive-aggressive? Is that where you don't actually raise with the best hand, but when the other guy makes his draw you bitch at him for staying in anyway?


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I lost with AA, In fact ive lost alot of times with aces. My whole problem is how does a passive player decide to call a BBx10 raise preflop with a 68o. How is that???

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He's a drunk who's just been watching Gus Hansen on ESPN?


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Oh yeah, and for the record. I have folded AA and KK, knowing I was outdrawn.

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You want to talk quality laydowns, I've folded 72 knowing I was outdrawn. 72 offsuit.


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Its not hard to figure out what cards a person is holding when its 1v1 in the pot. But when you got rejects calling huge bets with crap hands that flop them a winner, that calls for some serious thought.

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Or at least some cruel mockery.


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But from a professional stand point, maybe the 68o caller only called to try and bluff me out.

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I still say the smart money is on alcohol + Gus Hansen.

-- M. Ruff

[Desdia72]

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definitely gotta learn to just suck it up and deal with it, keep gettin your money in the middle with the best and hope it holds up

heres one from a multi last night

reraise an mp raised cause i have kk

flop is k high, i check to trap, he bets i smooth call.

turn is a jack, i check, he bets, i min raise, he calls.
river is a jack. i put him in with kings full, and lose to quad jacks, perfect perfect

just laugh these things off an deal with it man, it's a cruel cruel game sometimes.

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highly respected poker authors like Al from getting harsh and having to call you a whiner. after reading his response, i almost regret even posting my river beats. i have seen the light, i shall now run for the darkest cover i can find.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

But from a professional stand point, maybe the 68o caller only called to try and bluff me out.

I hope this guy has been yanking our collective chain, as Toro suggests, because if not, this is easily the stupidest statement in the history of this site.

[Desdia72]

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But from a professional stand point, maybe the 68o caller only called to try and bluff me out.

I hope this guy has been yanking our collective chain, as Toro suggests, because if not, this is easily the stupidest statement in the history of this site.

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to even care and comment as such on such a line, is probably the stupidest statement in the history of this site. only on 2+2, oh wait, there is RGP. i spoke to soon.

[Knockwurst]

A similar thing happened to me. I was playing .25/.50 on Party. I had had built up my initial $25 buy-in to a nice $225 nut. I moved up and began crushing the .50/1. Yeah, I had the occassional bad beat, even put a bad beat on a rube or two. But I'd shake off that occassional bad beat, because just about every move I made was gold. Life was good.

After a couple months, I started two, three, and four tabling the .50/1 limits, and thought a guy could make a pretty good living doing this. I clocked the hours and watched my bank roll grow.

I was living large with a fat $500 b.r., and then it happened. The bad beats started coming a little more frequently. Players would raise and reraise my pocket aces and pocket kings with 72o and the flop would come 772 (what are the chances). I also noticed my computer response time had become a little slower. I scanned my computer for spyware and trojan horses. Though I uncovered nothing, I'm well acquainted with phantom spyhorses. My bank roll went down to $25. I got a new hard drive, and a new monitor (because I heard viruses can sometimes crawl up and hide in your monitor). I wrote Party about the teams of pattern mappers, who were manipulating the probabilities. But of course they did nothing. They were in on it. Juice up the hands to get a bigger rake (think about it, if they're getting a % of the rake, it's in their interest to goose up the pot. That's obvious).

And like you said, every friggin payday I would put a big chunk of my check into my account to get the 15% bonus (the only EV+ play or so it would seem), and sure enough I'd bust out within two or three hours. Once, I sh*t you not, I had AA in the SB and raise, BB comes over the top, I raise he caps (I put him on kings, because I'm a pretty good hand reader). The flop comes AAK. We go four bets. The turn is a K we go another four bets. ANd the river is a K. We go four more, I show him my quads, see ya sucker, and he shows pocket KKs!!! He's got five f'ing Kings. What the f*ck?!? I wrote to Party after that one, and they said there was some technical glitch (yea, right), and I got my money back, but that's not the point.

I began profiling players and have conclusive evidence that 75% of the players I was up against were Party Poker bots. I took my last $1.25 and got the hell out of there. I've now contacted an attorney and we are preparing to file a class action suit against Party and other sites for fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud. If there is justice we will prevail.

If you care to join our class action, details will be forthcoming. There will be a small fee for anyone seeking to join our class action in order to retain our attorney (he's one of the best in the field, he successfully sued NASA to release all documents pertaining to Lot 57).

THIS IS NOT A SOLICITATION.

Stay tuned.

[Justin A]

Can we get this post set up so that it auto replies to all "online sites are rigged" posts?

Justin A