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Old 08-31-2005, 09:06 AM
ErrantNight ErrantNight is offline
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Default Re: Folded a set on the flop

maybe if you hadn't been ignoring your read that these guys were uber-aggressive...
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Old 08-31-2005, 09:19 AM
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Default Re: Folded a set on the flop

Bottom set beats, top pair, two pair and a flush draw (A reasonable progession of betting here.) You have a ton of outs vs a made str8 or flush. Though it's possible you are screwed to a higher set you likey toss the best hand here 75% of the time. If no one else has a set and your boat comes in when those other guys have str8's and flushes your implied odds are massive. You act after the aggressors and can fold the river if the action is similar when it gets to you. Doing so on the flop is a huge weak tight leak.


Sometimes you have to grit your teeth and sling your balls over your shoulder and push your chips into the center of the table. This is one of those times.
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Old 08-31-2005, 09:26 AM
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Default Re: Folded a set on the flop

Now my AK hand where I spewed chips doesn't make me feel so bad anymore.
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Old 08-31-2005, 11:03 AM
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Default Re: Folded a set on the flop

I am forced to agree with everyone else, I feel you have to cap. You have a very strong hand and you have to play it aggressive, especially against donks who willinging three bet with A9o on this board.

There is a solid possibility you are up against either a higher set or a made straight or a flush draw or some combination of these.

As others have pointed out, the only real hand you are drawing dead to is a higher set, so you are either ahead or behind with lots of outs to a FH, usually.
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Old 08-31-2005, 11:04 AM
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Default Re: Folded a set on the flop

Clear cap. You underestimate the value/rarity of a set and the number of outs you have against a flush/straight.
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Old 08-31-2005, 12:04 PM
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Default Re: Folded a set on the flop

CAP IT!!!!
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Old 08-31-2005, 12:18 PM
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Default Re: Folded a set on the flop

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As others have pointed out, the only real hand you are drawing dead to is a higher set, so you are either ahead or behind with lots of outs to a FH, usually.

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79 - or 75 or 95, are also hands that should keep in mind.

this isn't a wa/wb situation.
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Old 08-31-2005, 12:20 PM
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Default Re: Folded a set on the flop

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As others have pointed out, the only real hand you are drawing dead to is a higher set, so you are either ahead or behind with lots of outs to a FH, usually.

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79 - or 75 or 95, are also hands that should keep in mind.

this isn't a wa/wb situation.

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I don't think the implication was WA/WB. UATrewqaz was saying that we are either way ahead, or drawing very much live.
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Old 08-31-2005, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: Folded a set on the flop

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You owe me a margarita for the one that I just spit onto my monitor.

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I like this almost as much as the other day when I, "...puked into the puddle of pee on the floor."

Good times. Gooooooood times.
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Old 08-31-2005, 12:34 PM
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Default Re: Folded a set on the flop

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The consensus seems to be:

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And jrz gets huge boz-bucks for not posting "general consensus."

The grammar nits of the world thank you.
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