Whats fair?

[Cyrus]

Imagine a world where everything would be fair, in the sense that things would develop according to pre-determined and specific laws. For example, a football game in which the referees are all-seeing automatons, outside factors (eg wind) are nullified, individual errors are statistically smoothed so as not to unduly affect the team, etc etc --- but why not extent the logic to the end? We would have the game not played at all! The two teams' strengths would be compared pre-match and the one on top would win, and with the score the power ratings predict.

In a fair world, the two finalists in WSOP who are all in before the flop, would not see another card : they would just flip over their hands and the best hand would win. No suck outs. No I-saw-the-9-coming, thank you. Bad beat stories would be history.

[King_J]

If I was the AKo I would be dissapointed with a split. If I was the AQs I would be more than happy with a split. That makes sense. I know that AK is a favorite against AQs, that´s it.

And by the way, it was no bad beat story. I have never moved in with AKo against AQs as far as I can remember.

But, I still think a split would be a fair result since it doesnt have anything (atleast not much) with skills to do in that particular hand with those blinds. It´s not like the AKo guy could say
- Hey I knew I was gonna win, I know I can outplay you

That´s just because he would have done the same with AQs. He would have moved all-in and ran in to AKo and lost.
So mathematically, AKo should win. But, if we just consider the "skill-factor" a split is the most fair result!

[Dynasty]

But, if we just consider the "skill-factor" a split is the most fair result!

So, moving all-in with AKo and AQs when heads-up in a tournament requires skill? I don't think so.

Skill would be folding AQs when you know your opponent doesn't push all in before the flop without a pocket pair or AK.

[King_J]

When the blinds are 2000-4000 and with 10 000 chips each I think most of the players would move in with AJ and KQ for an example. I would personally definitely move in with Q9o

[Andy B]

With the blind structure this high, even if you knew that the button would only push in with AK or a pair, AQs is still a call. You're putting $6k into a pot that already contains $14k. You're better than 30% against all possible hands except AA, which he can only have three ways out of 112. Easy call.

Poker is not fair. It is not supposed to be fair. Get the money in there and see who wins.

[danderso8]

Doh! yep, I blew it. I guess i was thinking about a winner take-all tourney. thanks, dynasty.

[Dynasty]

And, it was your first post too. And, I'm a Pooh-Bah! Have you not seen "The Flintstones"? Do you not know what dignity comes with those furry little hats with the horns?