KQs Live 1/2, disagreement w/ a 2+2er

[SlantNGo]

To add to that, even at most 5/10 B&M games, you probably get the free card enough to make it raiseable for that purpose.

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I would raise this. Online I would call, but if this B&M game is anything like the ones I'm used to, you're getting this free card way more than enough to make it a profitable raise.


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good point. B&M games, especially at the 1/2 level are so different than online games. I guess I would agree with you, I would call online, raise in a live game.

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[milesdyson]

call. your implied odds are enormous when you just call because he will often lead the turn and you can trap the field for multiple big bets.

also, at such a passive table and a guy leading into like 19 players on that flop, how often do you think you're getting to see a river for 1 small bet? i don't see it happening very often.

[MrWookie47]

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call. your implied odds are enormous when you just call because he will often lead the turn and you can trap the field for multiple big bets.

also, at such a passive table and a guy leading into like 19 players on that flop, how often do you think you're getting to see a river for 1 small bet? i don't see it happening very often.

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I think the first point in particular is a very good one. I'm going to change my vote back. The value in our raise was slim and pales in comparison to the value we stand to gain by having this guy be the turn into us should we hit.

[Student Caine]

Damn, I wonder if I have become like hyper-aggressive, because this seems like an easy raise to me.

You have equity, the pot is huge, and you have position so there is potential for a free card on the Turn.

I guess that the flipside is that our draw is weak, ouir overcards should be deeply discounted (if not totally discounted), and with this many people in the pot if the next card doesn't help me it will help someone else who will be betting and not letting me see the River for free.

Blah...seemed like an easy decision at first. =/

[Xhad]

Grunching...

Exactly what are you folding offering 9-to-1?

Do you often get free cards when it's five-handed or more to the turn?

That leaves value raising, which probably isn't appropriate. Change the 9 to a J or give yourself a four-flush and my answer changes to raise.

[Sykes]

i told u

u r retarded

don't question my judgment

[MrWookie47]

I don't think that raising in this case is -EV. I think there are so many players in the pot that we have an equity edge. However, I think I agree with Miles that the implied odds we get on our draw are much, much better by calling instead of raising.

[Sykes]

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I don't think that raising in this case is -EV. I think there are so many players in the pot that we have an equity edge. However, I think I agree with Miles that the implied odds we get on our draw are much, much better by calling instead of raising.

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also, you have to factor the number of times you get 3 betted here.

[TomBrooks]

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call. your implied odds are enormous when you just call because he will often lead the turn and you can trap the field for multiple big bets.

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I voted raise. Reason: to get a free card.

I like Miles reasoning though, and if you don't think you'll get a free card anyway this is surely a call.

It's so freaken' close. I voted raise but Miles' argument of implied odds is convincing. That is assuming you spike your J.
The much more likely scenario is hitting your K or Q.

Being an LPP table, THE ONLY QUESTION IS: is there any chance of folding AQ, AK, K9, Kx, Q9, Qx. If you can fold these hands, then you should definitely raise (+ the free card possibility).

You've got to way the cost of the benefits vs the cost of the mistake.
If you raised and spike your J - you may cost yourself 4BB.
If you hit your K or Q and didn't take the chance to knock out one of those hands, you may have cost yourself the whole pot.

The difference between raising and calling is the answer to the previous question. In this situation, I don't see any of those hands folding - so I change my vote to call.