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#21
08-22-2005, 03:15 PM
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Re: Not Optimum: Hand 2
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[ QUOTE ] Bad, over-aggressive players get AA, KK, and 99, too, ya know? [/ QUOTE ] Sure they do. But what makes them bad over-aggressive players is that they may play A2, QQ, KQ, two hearts, AT, ..... the same way here. You have a set. You don't get sets very often. You should give the LAG a chance to pay you off when you do get one. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] SB is a 30/20 LAG (only 50 odd hands) and certainly capable of a light steal, his AF is 7... [/ QUOTE ] I could have these stats after 50 hands. 
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#23
08-22-2005, 03:30 PM
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Re: Not Optimum: Hand 2
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well you're cool, too, brett, but you're no dave. [/ QUOTE ] You're back? If you're in town there's a game this week. I'm leaving town next week (see location) and its my last low-limit donkfest avec beer.
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#24
08-22-2005, 03:36 PM
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Re: Not Optimum: Hand 2
tell me more...
and yes, I'm back
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#25
08-22-2005, 03:37 PM
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Re: Not Optimum: Hand 2
PMed....
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#27
08-22-2005, 04:28 PM
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Re: Not Optimum: Hand 2
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If I had zero hands, I still at least cap the turn. There are as many combinations of AK as 99/KK/AA. And you at least have to admit that other hands are possible. [/ QUOTE ] Absolutely. I agree the turn has to get capped and I might be wrong just calling a river bet, 3-betting is close and capping not far IMO. My point was that posters seem to put a bit too much emphasis on the read.
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#28
08-23-2005, 03:26 AM
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Re: Not Optimum: Hand 2
There are two kinds of posters on the Forum, it seems; those who believe poker is a battle of egos and those who believe poker is a battle of intellect.
While your response may be attractive to the first category it does not provide any insight into the hand or reasons why a play is superior, or indeed what the considerations are. Given the nature of my question and the details provided it should have been evident I am looking for more than a grunt-thump answer. It's ok to make a post for entertainment, I don't mind at all, I am just making a point for those who think such responses add to the debate constructively. Simply hammering away with big hands is a pretty good strategy in these spots, I agree, most play too timidly. But there is a point where, with each extra bet going in, we have to start considering our opponent may have a hand worth capping thro too... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#29
08-23-2005, 03:29 AM
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Re: Not Optimum: Hand 2
I agree, which is why I mentioned I had only 50 hands on villain - it is only enough to know he is aggressive, not a maniac or f**ktard.
My question really revolved around what to do on the River when the Turn gets capped again.
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#30
08-23-2005, 09:47 AM
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Re: Not Optimum: Hand 2
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There are two kinds of posters on the Forum, it seems; those who believe poker is a battle of egos and those who believe poker is a battle of intellect. While your response may be attractive to the first category it does not provide any insight into the hand or reasons why a play is superior, or indeed what the considerations are. Given the nature of my question and the details provided it should have been evident I am looking for more than a grunt-thump answer. It's ok to make a post for entertainment, I don't mind at all, I am just making a point for those who think such responses add to the debate constructively. Simply hammering away with big hands is a pretty good strategy in these spots, I agree, most play too timidly. But there is a point where, with each extra bet going in, we have to start considering our opponent may have a hand worth capping thro too... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Do you believe he is a LAG? You said he was. That leads me to reason that he will have some ridiculously overplayed hand more often that a bigger set or even top two. You simply must be willing to give a lot of action to LAGs when you flop a big hand, particularly in a HU SB/BB situation. All three conditions are met here. Let me state it this way. If I go 6 bets on the turn/river and I find out that bottom set is good against a LAG who was willing to give me more action, I'm much more disappointed than if I go 8 bets on the turn/river and he has top set. I can live with the second scenario because LAGs get paid off. That's poker. You might think I play with ego but that's really not true, and, more importantly, you're in absolutely no position to judge one way or the other. I don't make posts offering hand-reading prizes for hands that are nonsensical. Chief agreed with me; that should tell you something.
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