An interesting hand. Play my cards for me.

[aces_dad]

Another reason I like the smooth-call here is that BB will most likely lead out into you again and the plan would be to 2-bet the turn, which would then hopefully be enough to get the SB out of this hand, assumming he only called the flop bet as well.

[Entity]

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Another reason I like the smooth-call here is that BB will most likely lead out into you again and the plan would be to 2-bet the turn, which would then hopefully be enough to get the SB out of this hand, assumming he only called the flop bet as well.

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What hands can I raise on the turn that a flop raise won't accomplish the same task, in terms of folding? Note the pot size here. We're 3-handed. This is important for anyone arguing to call intending to raise the turn for "protection."

Rob

[MrWookie47]

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Value, free card,

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Those two should not be used in the same sentence.

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Not necessarily. Say, 4 limpers to you on the button holding Ah2h. SB completes and the BB checks. Flop comes Kh8h3s. SB bets, and there are 3 callers to you. That's definitely an instance where you can raise for value and still think about taking a free card on the turn.

Taking a free card with what stands to be the best hand is still pretty bad, however.

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I'd be more inclined to just call and let him continue bluffing at me

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given that he's tricky I like a call here planning to raise a safe turn. He may think that we're making a move on him and pop in for a third with a hand worse than our's.

a raise here is very tempting. I really want sb out of this hand, and facing him with two bets will probably do that. If it doesn't, we have a reletively good picture of what he's holding.

so I'm torn between calling and raising. I guess if I felt that BB would take go nuts with me on the turn with a lesser hand I would call here and pray that sb missed.

[MrWookie47]

Would you really cap the turn with BB here holding just top pair?

[cold_cash]

The pot's so small everybody's already pot-shorted if they call the flop when they're losing.

Raise, hope they call.

[@bsolute_luck]

bah, we raise the flop bet. our hand is too strong to fold, we have position, and a redraw and folding SB would be just an added bonus.

[KingOtter]

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Ok. We raise. SB and BB call. The pot is 6SB.

The flop is J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB checks and BB bets into us. What's our play, and why?

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I'd call. I'm not grunching, and I know a lot of people raise, but I don't think I would.

The reason... is because JJ is pretty strong, especially with the gutshot possibilities. The only cards that really hurt you are 8's, and only if they have a 7, and A's. A raise will broadcast your strong hand and you want to get more money on the turn.

I'd smoothcall the flop and raise the turn. More money.

KO

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Ok. We raise. SB and BB call. The pot is 6SB.

The flop is J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB checks and BB bets into us. What's our play, and why?

Rob

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I'd call. I'm not grunching, and I know a lot of people raise, but I don't think I would.

The reason... is because JJ is pretty strong, especially with the gutshot possibilities. The only cards that really hurt you are 8's, and only if they have a 7, and A's. A raise will broadcast your strong hand and you want to get more money on the turn.

I'd smoothcall the flop and raise the turn. More money.

KO

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What cards can fall that can either cause even bad, bluffy opponents to check, or that will cause you to check? It's important to think of how often you'll actually be able to raise the turn when you're planning on raising the turn.

Rob

[VBM]

not me, i'm raising.

calling gives SB 8:1 closing the flop action and there are enough things he could have that we don't want to give him those odds for.

if we raise and he calls, obviously it's not a disaster as we have outs to improve if we're behind. but, he could just as easily have a weaker J.

but, singling up w/ position vs BB to play with us sounds profitable.

if SB pulls some c/r-3bet deal, then i think we have to tread carefully...