22K losing hands: HELP!

[krishanleong]

VP$IP way too high.
FSB too low.
FBB too low.

Posting position stats is much more useful that the more detail tab.

Krishan

[bicyclekick]

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VP$IP way too high.
FSB too low.
FBB too low.

Posting position stats is much more useful that the more detail tab.

Krishan

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Dude, his VPIP is not too high. Quit giving bad advice, please.

[SomethingClever]

I agree you should constantly work on your game.

But, sometimes no matter how well you play, you run like crap for a real long time.

[Entity]

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VP$IP way too high.
FSB too low.
FBB too low.

Posting position stats is much more useful that the more detail tab.

Krishan

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Dude, his VPIP is not too high. Quit giving bad advice, please.

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Consider that his VPIP is as high as it is because he's only folding 40% of his blinds, though, and I'd say his VPIP is probably too high.

My guess is he's folding profitable hands in late position and not folding enough from the BB (duh).

[bicyclekick]

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VP$IP way too high.
FSB too low.
FBB too low.

Posting position stats is much more useful that the more detail tab.

Krishan

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Dude, his VPIP is not too high. Quit giving bad advice, please.

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Consider that his VPIP is as high as it is because he's only folding 40% of his blinds, though, and I'd say his VPIP is probably too high.

My guess is he's folding profitable hands in late position and not folding enough from the BB (duh).

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Very good call. You're definately right.

[StellarWind]

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I do not believe someone can lose for 22K hands by chance alone.

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You posted this in another thread, and I believe you're wrong.

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Perhaps I am, but I think it's safer to blame myself and look for changes than it is to blame variance and accept the losses.

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Man, you're a mental health professional and you think it's helpful to post and believe clearcut nonsense? Of course a winning player can lose over 22K hands.

Regardless of results you would be extremely special if there was nothing wrong with your game. You don't need an excuse to try to improve.

[StellarWind]

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The most glaring stat to me is the fold to river bet percent. 22% is way too low for 5/10. I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum, with a fold to river bet of near 45%. I've heard a more optimal number is somewhere between 35-45% for 5/10.

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Careful, stats do not exist in isolation. Milo doesn't seem to bet the river enough. Many of those "extra" calls are likely the hands he forgot to bet. That doesn't make those calls wrong.

Milo, I bet the river more often than I check. You are either missing river bets or you are taking hands to the river that don't belong there (or both). What happens on the river depends heavily on the foundation laid on previous streets. Your river stats could in part originate as early as preflop, where you apparently defend your BB with inadequate cards. Having done that you may easily wind up (correctly or otherwise) calling down with marginal made hands in order to recover a portion of the EV you lost preflop.

There is logic to poker and the river must come last. Until the first three streets are set you cannot expect the river to come out "right". You may do the best you can with the rivers you create, but you shouldn't expect the stats to turn out pretty.

Another example of how river stats can reflect problems from another street is free showdown addiction. This common disease turns river calls into checks, making the victim seem passive and weak on the river when all he really does is play the situations he creates for himself.