Preflop Pop Quiz: - Page 3

TomBrooks · #21 04-09-2005, 06:23 PM

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How is ATo an easy fold[on the button after 5 limpers]? It doesn't play great multi-way, but it has decent top pair strength. ... definitely worth a call here.

[/ QUOTE ]I've found that I'm dominated here a lot of the time, and I think that would be even more true at the microlimits. I can't make a flush and I can only make one straight, and I'm up against a lot of people. If one of the blinds raises it really sucks.

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ATo from late position: RAISE
-Lee Jones LLHE 2nd Ed

chipolino · #22 04-09-2005, 06:24 PM

1. Limp
2. I'll call and see what the flop brings. But a reraise is not bad either.
3. Raise.
4. Fold.
5. Check
6. Hmmm...limp.
7. Fold
8. I'll raise the steal is worth it.
9. Fold
10. I might raise here 70% of the time in this situation, depends on the limper.
11. I know it's tough but I fold here.
12. I might call here.
13. This is an easy fold for me.

einbert · #23 04-09-2005, 06:42 PM

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ATo from late position: RAISE
-Lee Jones LLHE 2nd Ed

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Oh, well THAT settles it.

Discussion absolutely over.

Kumubou · #24 04-09-2005, 06:45 PM

Fundamentally, this comes down to what your default for an unknown is. You seem to give them credit for being properly aggressive; I think most players at these limits are loose-passive donks until proven otherwise. I can not see your typical LP-P raising 99 UTG. Hell, I have a hard time doing it. Even though TT and up is an easy-mode raise, whreas I'll limp with 88 and less. It probably is borderline either way, as many of the 50%/50% raise/limp lines above show.

What do you figure a passive player would raise? AA? KK? AK?

Code:<hr /><pre> equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 24.4198 % [ 00.23 00.01 ] { AQo }
Hand 2: 75.5802 % [ 00.74 00.01 ] { AA-QQ, AKs, AKo }
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I guess this comes down to what your put unknowns on when they raise UTG.

-K

einbert · #25 04-09-2005, 06:49 PM

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Fundamentally, this comes down to what your default for an unknown is. You seem to give them credit for being properly aggressive; I think most players at these limits are loose-passive donks until proven otherwise. I can not see your typical LP-P raising 99 UTG. Hell, I have a hard time doing it. Even though TT and up is an easy-mode raise, whreas I'll limp with 88 and less. It probably is borderline either way, as many of the 50%/50% raise/limp lines above show.

What do you figure a passive player would raise? AA? KK? AK?

Code:<hr /><pre> equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 24.4198 % [ 00.23 00.01 ] { AQo }
Hand 2: 75.5802 % [ 00.74 00.01 ] { AA-QQ, AKs, AKo }
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I guess this comes down to what your put unknowns on when they raise UTG.

-K

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I agree. But I think my range is pretty typical, maybe a little more aggressive than your average player but fairly close.

milesdyson · #26 04-09-2005, 06:51 PM

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01.) 5 limpers to you: ATo on button Call or raise depending on mood.
02.) MP1 Raises, 1 coldcall: JJ in CO 3-bet.
03.) AJs UTG Raise.
04.) MP2 Raise, MP3 Reraises, JJ in CO Coldcall all 3 and see if MP2 caps.
05.) 3 Limpers + SB; QJo in BB ??? Check.
06.) 99 UTG Raise, but limping isn't bad.
07.) 2 Limpers; Q9o in SB Meh. Fold or complete.
08.) Folded to you: 33 on Button Raise or fold. I raise.
09.) 1 Limper: QTo in MP1 Fold.
10.) 1 Limper, SB folds: KJo in BB I check. This one is interesting. 
11.) UTG+1 Raises: AQo in UTG+2 Probably fold. If his PFR% is like 12, I'd 3-bet.
12.) UTG+1 Raises: 99 in SB Call.
13.) MP3 Raises, SB Calls: A4o in BB Fold.

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TheHip41 · #27 04-09-2005, 07:10 PM

Preflop Decisions:

01.) 5 limpers to you: ATo on button

Fold

02.) MP1 Raises, 1 coldcall: JJ in CO

Raise

03.) AJs UTG

Raise

04.) MP2 Raise, MP3 Reraises, JJ in CO

Cap

05.) 3 Limpers + SB; QJo in BB

Check

06.) 99 UTG

Raise

07.) 2 Limpers; Q9o in SB

Fold

08.) Folded to you: 33 on Button

Fold if Blinds are loose, raise if you can steal.

09.) 1 Limper: QTo in MP1

Fold

10.) 1 Limper, SB folds: KJo in BB

Raise

11.) UTG+1 Raises: AQo in UTG+2

If Lag, re raise, if TAG, fold

12.) UTG+1 Raises: 99 in SB

Dependson the action. If he's TAG, I'd lean toward folding if the SB was 1/3 of BB. If he's loose, at least call.

13.) MP3 Raises, SB Calls: A4o in BB

Fold

The only one that's tricky at all I think is the 99 hand. Not much cash in the pot, but 99 is a good hand. Just have to play well post flop on that one.

Derek

Emmitt2222 · #28 04-09-2005, 07:24 PM

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8) Fold.

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I hope thats a typo, you should be raising that almost all the time. If they are loose they will call with worse hands and you profit. If they are tight you take the blinds the majority of the time. If a TAG reraises you then you can call down or fold depending on how bad the board looks.

Entity · #29 04-09-2005, 07:28 PM

01.) 5 limpers to you: ATo on button

Limp.

02.) MP1 Raises, 1 coldcall: JJ in CO

3-bet.

03.) AJs UTG

Raise.

04.) MP2 Raise, MP3 Reraises, JJ in CO

Sometimes call, sometimes cap, sometimes fold. Depends on reads. Usually call.

05.) 3 Limpers + SB; QJo in BB

Check.

06.) 99 UTG

Raise frequently, limp occasionally.

07.) 2 Limpers; Q9o in SB

Usually fold. Sometimes complete.

08.) Folded to you: 33 on Button

Raise.

09.) 1 Limper: QTo in MP1

Fold.

10.) 1 Limper, SB folds: KJo in BB

Depends on the limper. Sometimes raise and sometimes check.

11.) UTG+1 Raises: AQo in UTG+2

Depends. Sometimes fold and sometimes 3-bet.

12.) UTG+1 Raises: 99 in SB

Call.

13.) MP3 Raises, SB Calls: A4o in BB

Fold.

TomBrooks · #30 04-09-2005, 09:10 PM

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ATo from late position: RAISE -Lee Jones LLHE 2nd Ed

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Glad I was able to clear that up. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] SSH by the way, considers AT a call from LP with at least four limpers already in. Either way though, folding does not seem to be necessary.