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Old 11-03-2004, 02:30 PM
Trainwreck Trainwreck is offline
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SO much of that was hogwash .

He lost because he didn't properly attack BUSH...

This Prez is the worst 1 in my lifetime, shame on ya ALL who couldn't see that.

Big business has a stick so far up BUSH, they are the reason he can barely speak english.

Peace, I hope you like WAR!

>TW<
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Old 11-03-2004, 02:34 PM
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-- Democrats in general do not understand the role of faith in the life of the average american, they try to pay lip service to that point, but it is only when "outsider" candidates like Carter or Clinton come along who do actually get it that they win.

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I was flipping channels last night, and don't remember who said it, but one of the analysts talked about the role of religion in American politics. He said if you looked at the "blue" (Kerry) states versus the "red" (Bush) states, it is clear that faith is much more important and plays a much bigger role in the lives of the people of the red states.

He made two further observations. One, to the extent that religion was any part of Kerry's campaign, it appeared highly contrived, as when Kerry went campaigning at black churches. Two, this religious aspect of American politics is a big reason for the rift between us and "old Europe" (Germany, France, etc.). He didn't talk about it, but it may also be a common cultural link between us and "new Europe" (Poland, former Soviet republics, etc.)
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Old 11-03-2004, 02:36 PM
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He lost because he didn't properly attack BUSH

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I think the overall lesson learned is that a candidate needs to balance his attack of his opponent with offering his own positions. If anything Kerry attacked Bush too much. A successful candidate should strive for a base that is both excited about them and disappointed/angry at their opponent. Nobody wants to vote with one hand and hold their nose with the other --- many are willing to do it, but they don't like it. You aren't going to get the votes from the middle that way.
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Old 11-03-2004, 02:46 PM
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Hi elwood, I thought the BUSH camps actually attacked too much, the Swift thing was completely underhanded and a bit ridiculous IMHO, we see that the people in the south are unwavering...

This is one deceitful, big business owned and operated by, President, I just hope he can manage to end Middle East conflicts in the next 4 years without alienating us completely.

A president IMHO should have a good command of english and public speaking, W falls a tad short of this, eh?

At least the comedic sector of the economy will enjoy another prosperous 4 more years!
At least the oil sector of the economy will enjoy another prosperous 4 more years!
At least the pharma sector of the economy will enjoy another prosperous 4 more years!
[silver lining!?]]

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Old 11-03-2004, 02:57 PM
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I agree the swifty thing was pretty bad. The thing is, I don't think people bought into the notion that Bush was behind it or should be held responsible for it.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:02 PM
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I have to agree.

I am not a Bush supporter. I was looking for a reason to vote for Kerry. He didn't give me one. I ended up voting Libertarian because even though I disagree on some issues, at least they had coherent positions with positive affirming reasons to vote for them. All Kerry gave me was the "I'm not that jerk" line.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:02 PM
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Mrs. Kerry would take a meeting and have her secretary send over her chauffer to ask you to not park your car so close to her BMW.

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Priceless. There is a story that the editor of a small midwestern newspaper actually had Bush and Kerry in the room at the same time for an interview. He asked them both the same question:

Both of you come from privileged backgrounds and are members of the upper class. How do you respond to charges that you cannot relate to the common man?

Bush: Well, I love baseball, I clear brush on my ranch, I go down to the coffee shop when I am in Crawford and share stories with my fellow Texans. I AM one of you.

Kerry: Like I care what you people think.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:28 PM
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Bush made the campaign about Bush issues. Kerry could not do the opposite as effectively.
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Old 11-03-2004, 03:33 PM
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I think it's simpler than that.

The catholic made it only about abortion; the conservatives made it about gay marraige family values and kerry's after war record and Kerry could'nt make it about the economy and Iraq.

Interesting statistic I saw in exit polling only about 53% of union members were voting for Kerry. It used to be that union members were at least 75% Dem. When did the Republican party convince middle class blue collar workers to eat [censored] and ask for more.
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Old 11-03-2004, 04:46 PM
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Mrs. Kerry: While I don't think many people really care about the wife, she certainly didn't help. While I know very little about Laura Bush, she looks like the kind of person who, if you moved in next door, would come over with a welcome note and a home-baked pie; Mrs. Kerry would take a meeting and have her secretary send over her chauffer to ask you to not park your car so close to her BMW. This impression might be completely wrong, but my sense is a lot of people had it.

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ROTFLOL! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] My brother told me that he thought my Mom liked Teresa Heinz so I'm going to have to forward a link. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Regards,

Rick

PS Hillary versus ? will be fun in 2008. Let's hope we're still around.
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