Overpair on the flop... and I fold....

[HajiShirazu]

I don't think your play is right, because people are crazy on Party, and you'll see some guy with A9 thinking his cap preflop was right, and another guy with pocket sevens who figured everybody else had AK.
With that said I lose too much money in these situations (pair vs. over pair and rag flop, pair vs. set.) But maybe that's just part of playing aggressively and getting full value the times you do have the best hand.

[Alobar]

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The fact that the CO capped with 88 PF I think goes to show why this was a bad fold.

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No it isn't. How about the UTG not slowing down a bit? This is only 1 hand that we're seeing by the CO so it's tough to jump to a LAG tag based on one hand.

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I'm not using the 88 PF cap to label him a LAG, I was using it to show that just because someone caps PF at party 2/4 doesnt mean AA KK. Which is I'm sure part of the reason he folded on the flop, because he knew the PF capper still had to act behind him.

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I know you know this already, but I still think its worth mentioning. If playing by your "gut feeling" was +EV people would be beating the craps and roulette tables and Vegas would be a truck stop in the middle of the desert

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This isn't a pit game. There is alot of 'feel' you can have on a cardtable. Much comes from experience with the opponents you're against. I had a post in mid stakes where i avoided a turn c/r with rockets because i 'felt' the guy had flopped a set. Which he did.

Online it's tougher to get this feel. I think it can be accomplished to some degree by playing no more than 2 tables. 1 table is very do-able as your paying attention more instead of divided attention. Granted, it takes alot of time to develop and act on this feel. To trust your read enough to act on it. But sometimes you listen to that voice.

Poker is more than just playing ABC and the odds. It's not blackjack.

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I wouldn't call what you're describing a "gut feeling" then, I'd call it a read. I think one needs to be careful to distinguish between the two, thats all.

[Alobar]

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you are most assuredly ahead of the BB,

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Why? The only chance he's had to really act, other than calling 3 cold preflop w/o the possibility of raising he's bet out into a raiser, 3bettor and capper. You can't say he's weak based on that.

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You're telling me you are worried about the BB? He's the last of my concerns in this hand. Maybe I should stop assuming everyone at party 2/4 is an idiot, but in my experience 80% of the time here he's playing a draw or has A9 or the like.

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there are lots of hands UTG is raising here that you are way ahead of,

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Based on what? No reads were given.


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You cant think of any hands UTG raises here that you are ahead of? TT, JJ, a big suited A, Ako, even QQ. I didnt say he was ahead of UTG, I just said you can't automatically assume you are behind UTG

[bernie]

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You're telling me you are worried about the BB? He's the last of my concerns in this hand.

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I'm aware of the BB. No way do i think i'm 'assuredly' ahead. What are you basing that on? He didn't have a chance preflop to do anything but call or fold. But now he's betting into a sure raise from at least 2 possible spots. That should send up at least a little flag.

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You cant think of any hands UTG raises here that you are ahead of? TT, JJ, a big suited A, Ako, even QQ. I didnt say he was ahead of UTG, I just said you can't automatically assume you are behind UTG

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I agree with this part. Though one could be wary that this player hasn't slowed down a bit. No reads were given for this player. However, note he's raising into a 3 bettor and capper. Since preflop 3 bettors and cappers don't usually fold the flop to a raise, this could mean a somewhat stronger hand. Doesn't mean it is, though.

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