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Old 01-06-2004, 03:17 PM
bernie bernie is offline
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i believe that's the concept i was thinking of in my initial response. an added bonus is that they wont put you on the gutshot right away if you hit it.

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Old 01-06-2004, 03:19 PM
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it helps clean up some overcard outs if she is ahead and they fold. thereby helping to maximize her chances.

table texture and knowledge of players helps, but it's still usable to try out.

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Old 01-06-2004, 03:20 PM
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Default Re: Me Moron (i.e. betting when you expect to call)

See my post above #467322
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Old 01-06-2004, 03:21 PM
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this isnt a HU principle.

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Old 01-06-2004, 03:29 PM
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SB had a T, yes. ATo [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

This was SB's only check-raise in the 300+ hands I played with him. He saw almost 40% of the flops and raised preflop 2%. The fact that he had me beat on the flop was undeniable, the question was if my outs were as small as a running straight or as large as two pair.
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Old 01-06-2004, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: Me Moron (i.e. betting when you expect to call)

I do not acknowledge #3. I think I have a reasonable chance of improving to the best hand.
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Old 01-06-2004, 03:34 PM
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Default Re: Me Moron (i.e. betting when you expect to call)

I really don't like the flop bet...betting from EP with six players to the flop?
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Old 01-06-2004, 03:36 PM
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Default Re: Me Moron (i.e. betting when you expect to call)

The whole "bet it if you are going to call" comes from the semibluff section of HEFAP and TOP. I believe that the author also advises that it is rarely correct to semibluff in large multiway pots, since you lose one of the advantages of semibluffing, which is winning the pot immediately.

The number of opponents should be a HUGE factor in deciding whether to bet a subpar hand. Generally, the fewer the opponents, the fewer outs needed to make a semibluff correct. Betting a hand with 4 outs, such as the gutshot example mentioned above, against one opponent is probably a winning play longterm against the right opponent. As the number of opponents goes up, the number of outs your hand needs to improve should also go up, since it is more likely that you will be called.
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Old 01-06-2004, 03:43 PM
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I think your hand is a lot different than the one presented in HPFAP, in which a player bets with JT into an A87 flop. In that case, it is extremely likely that overcards *to your hand* (KQ/KJ/QJ/QT) will fold, allowing you to clear up your J and T outs. Additionally, you may take down the pot immediately, since an Axx flop isn't likely to have hit anyone. In your case, betting out doesn't protect your hand, as any two overcards to your hand are likely to call on a T75 flop, since they will contain two overcards *to the board*.

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Old 01-06-2004, 03:53 PM
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I alternate between betting and checking with the intention of checkraising a LP bettor here.
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