My WA/WB line!

[POKhER]

could you give us the hands we're ahead of vs behind?

IMO its more of a "WB/WB/WB/wa" Maybe i'm a pessiist [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[bozlax]

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this isn't the best seat, either boz. just thought it worth mentioning.

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Lucky for me I wasn't sitting in it. I was button with KK. But I thought "Hero" played an excellent WA/WB against a Villan who could be seen as a little too raise-happy preflop and aggro postflop. The only thing I might've done differently would be raise-call the river, but I'd probably chicken out and see the cheap showdown.

Oh, and FWIW there aren't any REALLY good seats at this table [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img], but we do have 3 players with VPIP over 35...bringing the table-average up to 23!

[POKhER]

Can someone please tell me how this is a good wa/wb?

WA/WB = X:X on the hands we win : hands we lose to no? Isnt this therefore WB WB WB!

(thats without knowing the result... which was a loss).

[cold_cash]

This is a unique hand.

I wouldn't exactly call it a way ahead/way behind deal though, in the 'classical' sense anyway.

We have a gut-shot that is likely to be good, so on the turn we have 10 outs to beat KJ. Add to that the fact that we might already be winning or chopping.

[bozlax]

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Can someone please tell me how this is a good wa/wb?

WA/WB = X:X on the hands we win : hands we lose to no? Isnt this therefore WB WB WB!

(thats without knowing the result... which was a loss).

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What line would you have taken? You're right, as is Cash, this isn't necessarily a classic "WA/WB" (you have too many outs if you're behind, but I do think you're pretty close to X:X), but aren't you going to play it like it is? Villan (me) is about 50% looser than Hero...he's also pfr'ing about twice as much (Villan clearly recognizes this table is waaaaay tight, and is taking advantage of it). I think you can put Villan's range, preflop, to pp's down to about 99, suited aces down to about 9 or 8, unsuited broadway connectors, suited broadway cards, etc., and you can't really narrow it any on the flop without running the risk of costing yourself extra bets with a hand that you'd really like to at least see the river with.

Until the river (as somebody said, it would take a special kind of LAG to bet QQ on this river, not that I'm anything but a special kind of LAG [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]), you have no idea where you stand, and no way of cheaply figuring it out, so you check/call down...isn't that what WA/WB boils down to, after you strip off the stuff about how many outs each of you have, whether you're HU or not, and whether it's equal times your ahead and behind?

[POKhER]

i'd of bet the flop, when you raise(I asume you will raise me?) i fold the turn UI as i think im WB more than WA.

So calling down = -EV as the WB>WA

But as i say, i could be weak tight as im verging on the "Safe side" whilt i play party as thats whats winning me cash. Me previous style was overagressive.

[milesdyson]

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i'd of bet the flop, when you raise(I asume you will raise me?) i fold the turn UI as i think im WB more than WA.

So calling down = -EV as the WB>WA

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that's not the only thing that matters. it's how often you're behind and how often you can improve to win. so,

1. there's money in the pot.
2. we can improve.
3. we could be splitting/winning when he raises the flop.

if he has AJ, for example, we have 10 (3 queens, 3 kings, 4 tens) outs to beat him. what if he has AQ? ATs? a dumb KQ/QQ? what if he just calls your flop bet - then what?

[POKhER]

yeh true, But i assume he has AK/AA/KK/QQ, dropped it to AK/AA/KK

So to improve... we dont have many improvements. As i say, I think we are WAY behind.

If he calls my bet ill shoot again on the turn. If he calls that.... and flips KK? LOL i make a note.

[milesdyson]

you don't think you'd ever get raised on this flop by AJ/AT?

[milesdyson]

also when you bet and he has QQ/TT, he is going to call the flop and fold the turn. when you check call the flop, he may put another bet in with those hands (you'd at least give him a chance).