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#12
09-24-2005, 11:16 AM
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Re: 15-30NL HU - Fishing on the Prima Network
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[ QUOTE ] Of course you call. All your draws are pretty well hidden. [/ QUOTE ] only well hidden draw is the 4 [/ QUOTE ] The 4 is super well hidden but I think the bd flush is pretty well hidden as well. 
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#13
09-24-2005, 11:34 AM
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Re: 15-30NL HU - Fishing on the Prima Network
I would raise to 800-900 on the turn. LAG is the only way hu and a raise force him to fold a lot of hands + you have a good draw. If he calls and you hit, you get the rest of his chips on the river. Ofcourse you play the same way when you really do have a hand.
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#14
09-24-2005, 04:05 PM
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Re: 15-30NL HU - Fishing on the Prima Network
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Of course you call. All your draws are pretty well hidden. [/ QUOTE ] only well hidden draw is the 4 [/ QUOTE ] The 4 is super well hidden but I think the bd flush is pretty well hidden as well. [/ QUOTE ] Please explain how flush draw is hidden.
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#15
09-24-2005, 06:13 PM
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Re: 15-30NL HU - Fishing on the Prima Network
man, are you for real? most of what you've said in this thread has been way off in my opinion.
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#16
09-24-2005, 06:24 PM
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Re: 15-30NL HU - Fishing on the Prima Network
It's a backdoor flush. That's why I think its pretty well hidden..
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#17
09-24-2005, 06:35 PM
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Re: 15-30NL HU - Fishing on the Prima Network
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It's a backdoor flush. That's why I think its pretty well hidden.. [/ QUOTE ] I actually agree with zeebo to some extent. This is not a board that if hero has a strong hand on he's gonna just smooth call here. I think hero's call on the turn looks a lot like a 12 out draw, maybe KJ/QJ/KT/QT/J9/T9 of spades. The offsuit 4 is a great out though. Two pair is bumping it up big, TJ is bumping it up big, maaaybe AT/AJ just calls.
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#18
09-24-2005, 07:07 PM
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Re: 15-30NL HU - Fishing on the Prima Network
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It's a backdoor flush. That's why I think its pretty well hidden.. [/ QUOTE ] Well to make things clear, it's ONLY hidden to absolute idiots. Backdoor flushes aren't backdoor flushes period. Let's say there are 4 to the flop on rainbow board and it gets checked around. Turn brings two hearts, someone pots it, and somebody else calls...there's a good shot that someone has a flush draw, it doesn't matter that it's backdoor. Do you follow that? You have to look at the obvious action. Now look at this hand: He bet the flop, which he does nearly 100% of the time he just said. That means he has any 2, right? Turn brings a 2 flush and our hero calls a pot bet. If I was villain I'd put flush draw high on my list of hands he could've had, most likely flush draw + gut (+maybe pair, something like QTs), either that or some sort of AJ hand (maybe AQ)
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#19
09-24-2005, 07:20 PM
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Re: 15-30NL HU - Fishing on the Prima Network
i agree with what zeebo says here, far too often people over value their "hidden ness" of a runner runner flush when the action indicates an opponent hitting one is logical
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#20
09-24-2005, 07:28 PM
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Re: 15-30NL HU - Fishing on the Prima Network
I guess I should add just because it's not entirely hidden, doesn't mean you won't get paid off if it hits (though you might not get paid off); some people pay off flush draws nearly every time if they have a medium strength hand.
I'm just saying you shouldn't expect a ton of EXTRA $ thinking it is hidden or MUCH greater likelihood of getting paid off (b/c it is NOT hidden).
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