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#13
09-02-2005, 09:22 AM
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Re: AQ, TPTK HU vs TAG
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[ QUOTE ] What's wrong with c/ring this flop? [/ QUOTE ] Costing us the most against QQ,KK,and AA while costing your opponent the least with TT, 99, KQ, and AK. [/ QUOTE ] oh, duh. thanks. So I see that you wanna go with wa/wb here, but given this likely hand range, wouldn't we want to just check-call the river since a good proportion of his possible hands just sucked out on us (if we were even ahead)? We want to show this down, but I think bet-call and bet-fold both suck... 
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#14
09-02-2005, 09:32 AM
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Re: AQ, TPTK HU vs TAG
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What's wrong with c/ring this flop? [/ QUOTE ] Costing us the most against QQ,KK,and AA while costing your opponent the least with TT, 99, KQ, and AK. [/ QUOTE ] oh, duh. thanks. So I see that you wanna go with wa/wb here, but given this likely hand range, wouldn't we want to just check-call the river since a good proportion of his possible hands just sucked out on us (if we were even ahead)? We want to show this down, but I think bet-call and bet-fold both suck... [/ QUOTE ] I check/call the flop and turn and bet/call the river usually. I need good stats before I can bet/fold and I really don't like to check/call because AK usually checks through and they'll also usually call a river donkbet. The only reason I'd want to go to war on the flop here is if I suspect him of a resteal. We can't determine that, since we've only seen him for a bit.
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#15
09-02-2005, 09:34 AM
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Re: AQ, TPTK HU vs TAG
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What's wrong with c/ring this flop? [/ QUOTE ] Costing us the most against QQ,KK,and AA while costing your opponent the least with TT, 99, KQ, and AK. [/ QUOTE ] oh, duh. thanks. So I see that you wanna go with wa/wb here, but given this likely hand range, wouldn't we want to just check-call the river since a good proportion of his possible hands just sucked out on us (if we were even ahead)? We want to show this down, but I think bet-call and bet-fold both suck... [/ QUOTE ] I check/call the flop and turn and bet/call the river usually. I need good stats before I can bet/fold and I really don't like to check/call because AK usually checks through and they'll also usually call a river donkbet. [/ QUOTE ] Except that AK just made broadway here...
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#16
09-02-2005, 09:42 AM
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Re: AQ, TPTK HU vs TAG
Sorry, I'm a little tired and missed the river card. I'm check/folding the river. The chance he isolated with a lower pocket and the chance he'll bet that river with it are lower than my pot odds are. 77 and <55 are the only things we're beating now, and even if he's a TAG with the same stats we have, he's going to have just as much of a non-read.
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#17
09-02-2005, 09:48 AM
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Re: AQ, TPTK HU vs TAG
Exaktly, the AK stright possibility changes this river a lot I think. Now we are really behind most the hands that a normal TAG would 3bet with (10 10 to AA and AK), so I think this is a really hard river, I think I would check call, hoping my check can make him try a bluff with perhaps AJs or 99. But I guess that a check -fold perhaps is the correct move, not a very big pot, but I dont think I would have done it anyway, hard to release TPTK.
I also think this depends on your table image, if you have raised a lot and think that people can get overaggro with you then it puts this in a different situation, or?
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#18
09-02-2005, 10:31 AM
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Re: AQ, TPTK HU vs TAG
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The only reason I'd want to go to war on the flop here is if I suspect him of a resteal. [/ QUOTE ] So why go to war and tell him we have a hand, as opposed to just calling down and let him hang himself?
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#19
09-02-2005, 12:13 PM
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Re: AQ, TPTK HU vs TAG
Only thing to consider the rivercall is wether you can add AQ (suited and unsuited) to his range of hands. If you can do this, you get about the right price to call for a tied pot (AA-TT+AK *1 : AQ*3.75 results to 46: 56). So you need to be about 80% sure you can include these to make the river call. Otherwise fold
ps. forget the other post i made about this. its rubbish FYI to MAR: 99 also made his straight
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#20
09-02-2005, 05:09 PM
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Re: AQ, TPTK HU vs TAG
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[ QUOTE ] The only reason I'd want to go to war on the flop here is if I suspect him of a resteal. [/ QUOTE ] So why go to war and tell him we have a hand, as opposed to just calling down and let him hang himself? [/ QUOTE ] People overplay steal/resteal hands, and I want money in the pot.
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