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krishanleong · #11 08-17-2005, 10:51 AM

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Bets and folds to another checkraise

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There aren't very many rules in poker, but one of mine is to never fold when checkraised twice by the same person.

Krishan

Noodles · #12 08-17-2005, 10:58 AM

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There aren't very many rules in poker, but one of mine is to never fold when checkraised twice by the same person.

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Why? most here seem to say to fold to the 2nd CR?

wheelz · #13 08-17-2005, 11:04 AM

Yeah, that's interesting... you really think you'll get checkraised on the flop and turn with less than top pair after it was capped preflop? Hero was the pf capper too, and he bet and called a cr on the flop... the SB has got to be worried too even if he does have top pair, it would take a real nut to checkraise the turn with a worse hand as well.

I'm in the bet and fold if he checkraises camp, if he calls the turn bet the river

krishanleong · #14 08-17-2005, 11:22 AM

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There aren't very many rules in poker, but one of mine is to never fold when checkraised twice by the same person.

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Why? most here seem to say to fold to the 2nd CR?

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There is very very rarely a reason to go for 2 checkraises in a hand. It is also an expert play. So the majority of the time it is either a bad player making a bad move that works. But enough a % of the time it's a bad player trying to make a move that I feel like calling them down isn't much of a mistake if it's a mistake at all.

Krishan

krishanleong · #15 08-17-2005, 11:23 AM

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it would take a real nut to checkraise the turn with a worse hand as well.

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It would take a real nut to go for 2 checkraises. Nuts don't always have the goods. The pot is large so I call it down.

Krishan

wheelz · #16 08-17-2005, 11:53 AM

Fair enough.

CIncyHR · #17 08-17-2005, 12:10 PM

Check and call down.

JrJordan · #18 08-17-2005, 12:16 PM

I would be tempted to fold this after SB c/r's the field, especially because you the risk of KK being out there as well as hitting your Q opens up several draw possibilities. You have a read that he's overaggro though, so if you decide to call here than you're basically going to showdown barring a wakeup call from CO.

On the turn I would check it to CO and see what he does. If he bets and SB c/r's again, then your decision just got a lot easier. If he checks through, you could induce a bluff from SB on the river, or have a decent value bet if he checks to you.

arkady · #19 08-17-2005, 01:10 PM

You know who does this? 99, JJ, something AQ, AJ. They may be smart enough to put you on something like JJ and try a raise to scare you off. You called and now they are going to call down with their smaller PP or big A chasing their gutter.

I agree w/Krish, only the trickiest expert will C.R. here twice. Call down if raised, but def. bet.

The only complication is the 3rd player and like the post above me suggested a check to see what the SB does again - while dangerous - might be a viable option.

krishanleong · #20 08-17-2005, 01:13 PM

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I agree w/Krish, only the trickiest expert will C.R. here twice.

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Also, this isn't a good board for tricky experts to try it. So if it does happen you know you are up against a donk.

FWIW I check raise twice in a hand about 1/8th as much as I value bet A high unimproved on the river. It's not a big part of the game.

Krishan