Review: Hands 89 & 90 (straight draws)

[MN_Mime]

Glad to see you agree. I was thinking I was even more LAGgish than I imagined when people were calling it close [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Easy call no question, but what is the logic behind raising?

[MN_Mime]

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If UTG is solid though I fold hand #2 preflop.

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I just re-read this and I'm wondering what range of hands you're putting a 'solid' UTG that cause you to fold this? There are very few hands that I'd expect a solid player to limp UTG, so I'd certainly be suspicious.

[Xhad]

It might buy a card, and increases the possibility of winning if hero makes top pair with his ace.

[baronzeus]

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If UTG is solid though I fold hand #2 preflop.

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I just re-read this and I'm wondering what range of hands you're putting a 'solid' UTG that cause you to fold this? There are very few hands that I'd expect a solid player to limp UTG, so I'd certainly be suspicious.

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More passive TAGs limp hands like AJ and AT in early position, even AQ sometimes, and you're in a world of trouble

[baronzeus]

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It might buy a card, and increases the possibility of winning if hero makes top pair with his ace.

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The reason is actually the incredible amount of equity you have here.

[MN_Mime]

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It might buy a card, and increases the possibility of winning if hero makes top pair with his ace.

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The reason is actually the incredible amount of equity you have here.

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Baronzeus is right, but it's both IMO. After 30 billion simulations on Pokerstove...

Hand 1: 04.4775 % [ 00.04 00.00 ] { random }
Hand 2: 27.9693 % [ 00.26 00.02 ] { TT-88, A8s-A2s, QJs-Q2s, JTs-J2s, T9s-T8s, 98s, AQo-A2o, QJo-Q2o, JTo-J2o, T9o-T8o, 98o }
Hand 3: 28.2238 % [ 00.24 00.04 ] { AcTh }
Hand 4: 19.6626 % [ 00.17 00.02 ] { AA-TT, AKs-A2s, KQs-K2s, QJs-Q2s, JTs-J2s, T9s-T2s, 98s-92s, 87s-82s, 76s-72s, 65s-62s, 54s-52s, 43s-42s, 32s, AKo-ATo, KQo-KTo, QJo-QTo, JTo }
Hand 5: 19.6667 % [ 00.17 00.02 ] { AA-TT, AKs-A2s, KQs-K2s, QJs-Q2s, JTs-J2s, T9s-T2s, 98s-92s, 87s-82s, 76s-72s, 65s-62s, 54s-52s, 43s-42s, 32s, AKo-ATo, KQo-KTo, QJo-QTo, JTo }

I might be giving BB too much credit and the later limpers not enough credit with the lazy range of hands I assigned, but the idea is sound.

I also want to knock people out, because I want my Ace outs to be good and I don't want to chop with some random Ten if my bottom 4-straight hits.

[Nilbud]

OK, I'm with you guys on calling, or even raising the double-gutter, but I can't see why you would call when it's only a gutshot. You've got about 5 good outs, but your only getting ~7:1 to call the flop.

[MATT111]

Up to 12 outs. I`d discount to about 8 outs.
So the raise is for value if all the others call.
It might buy a free card too. But we often want to bet the turn anyway.

First hand is a fold.

[Nilbud]

Sorry, that wasn't worded very well. I was asking why they advocated calling with only a gutshot. Obviously this hand is a double-gutter, but I'm interested in why they would call a similar hand with a nut-straight gutshot and no double-gutter.