JJ Flop Decision

[Duerig]

I would fold.

What four outs are we talking about, as I see it the only outs he have the two last J's? Which will give him 2:47, or 1:23.5?

Or am I totally off track? :-) - It could be, busy at work, arf.

[jrz1972]

Jacks = 2 outs.
Backdoor flush draw = 1.5 outs.
2-gap backdoor straight draw = 0.5 outs.

=> Total of 4 outs.

One could quibble with this, but it's a decent starting point.

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Thanks, that makes sense. My gut was telling me I was beat but I was looking for a way to continue.

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Looking for a way to continue???? With a hand like this, and many others you should be looking fora reason to fold...
CDL

[Nilbud]

Thanks, very insightful.

[bozlax]

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...UTG+1 will play any two cards, but rarely bets out unless he has something.

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You have a read. If you believe it's solid, fold. If not, raise to try and get SB out of your way.

FWIW, I think this is a fold against an unknown, so you should probably fold with any kind of read telling you to.

[bozlax]

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...you should be looking fora reason to fold...
CDL

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Somebody's been reading Lee Jones...

[crownjules]

What about the back door straight? That's good for another 1.5 outs, giving you a total of 5. With that taken into account, you definitely have the pot odds to peel one off and see the turn. If you don't improve there, I would fold.

[POKhER]

Thats weak tight, LOOK FOR A REASON TO CALL but NEVER FOOL YOURSELF into thinking you have outs THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE/DONT.

Just my opinion, But that short comment made me want to reply.

Nah, not weak tight, but JJ should be an easy fold here. So many people just like action, and want a reason to call or play out a hand that they know is dead or nearly dead. I dont like calls, I like raises therefore not weak tight. If Im in a hand, Im taking it down most of the time, and I play draws based on odds, but trying to set up knowing ur beat and gettting incorrect odds seems like a leak...
cdl