50K hand checkup @ $1/$2 6-max, need some help w/ VPIP - Page 2

MisterKing · #11 07-31-2005, 04:38 PM

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What hands should I be defending with in the BB?

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Go read the chapter in HEPFAP on heads up play (Pg. 183+)and use those cutoffs. Sklansky's discussion of where the PF stealer shows an automatic profit when the BB doesn't defend often enough is very revealing.

MisterKing · #12 07-31-2005, 04:44 PM

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What hands should I be defending with in the BB?

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Basically, I've loosened up to any hand with 50%+ equity v an opponent with a random holding.

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This is too loose in Party 1/2. You will not be able to fold opponents out, and at least for many opponenets their stealing range is not truly random. You need to be better than 50% against their range, and you are out of position... so I think raising the bar to the top 40% of starters is where you want to be. In no fold'em games maybe still tighter than that given how much value you do get when you hit, and how seldom you'll win with high card ace.

juggernaut · #13 07-31-2005, 04:55 PM

If you get your steal percentage up around 30 it'll put your LP VPIP in the lower twenties. And while it's true that outright stealing isn't going to be as effective at the lower limits, I think you'll be surprised at how many pots you can take without showdown by following up with flop and/or turn bets.

I don't have a link handy, but Nate made a post "blind stealing experiment" (or something like that) that is helpful when figuring out what hands you should be stealing with.

MisterKing · #14 07-31-2005, 04:57 PM

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If you get your steal percentage up around 30 it'll put your LP VPIP in the lower twenties. And while it's true that outright stealing isn't going to be as effective at the lower limits, I think you'll be surprised at how many pots you can take without showdown by following up with flop and/or turn bets.

I don't have a link handy, but Nate made a post "blind stealing experiment" (or something like that) that is helpful when figuring out what hands you should be stealing with.

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Nate's Blind Stealing Experiment

Grisgra · #15 07-31-2005, 04:59 PM

I'd like to help, but my brain seized after seeing your VPIP was 18%.

Grisgra · #16 07-31-2005, 05:00 PM

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Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (10.25 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has 8c Td (straight flush, eight high).
Hero has Jc Ad (straight flush, seven high).
Outcome: BB wins 12.25 BB. 

:|

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Damn, BB has one helluva pattern mapper.

juggernaut · #17 07-31-2005, 05:06 PM

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If you get your steal percentage up around 30 it'll put your LP VPIP in the lower twenties. And while it's true that outright stealing isn't going to be as effective at the lower limits, I think you'll be surprised at how many pots you can take without showdown by following up with flop and/or turn bets.

I don't have a link handy, but Nate made a post "blind stealing experiment" (or something like that) that is helpful when figuring out what hands you should be stealing with.

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Nate's Blind Stealing Experiment

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Yeah, that's it. Thanks King....

MisterKing · #18 07-31-2005, 05:32 PM

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I haven't looked, but don't post results. Just don't.

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Nevermind my remark above... I'm an idiot. I ask a question re: straight flush, you answer it, and then I go after you for doing so. I wasn't putting 2 and 2 together. D'oh. NH.

ucfryan · #19 07-31-2005, 07:14 PM

lol, I know the rules about posting, I figured either a) you were being sarcastic or b) you didn't realize what I posted.

Thanks for the HPFAP recommendation, I'll check it out.