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[elindauer]

By the way Schneids, the fact that you have to fire three bullets to knock out QQ and TT should dissuade you from raising the turn. You can accomplish basically the same bluff by simply calling the turn and betting the river if he checks to you. It looks like you must hold an A or K to have played your hand this way. The result is:

a) he bets the river. he has represented a big hand all the way, you fold and save 2 BB.

b) he checks the river. You bet and take it down.


You could never get away with this against your typical loose party doofus, but then, you're ability to make him fold a better hand is the reason you played this after the flop.

my 2 cents.
Eric

[gonores]

QQ and TT don't have gutshots on the turn.

[gonores]

I'm not sure what a 3-betting SB will fold on this river. On the surface, I don't like it, but like others have said...your image is the key to your river play.

[elindauer]

Quite right, I obviously talked myself into the board being AKJ on the turn. In the actual hand then, I agree that betting the river looks like waste of money.

Thanks,
Eric

[Chris Daddy Cool]

the fact that he called your turn raise when the Ace didn't bring in any redraw is not a good sign. he has to be a laydown machine (i.e. me [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]) to make this work. there are several players out there that will call the turn raise expecting you to NOT bet the river anticipating the free showdown play and fold if you bet the river. but this has to be very player specific otherwise you're just spewing chips.

[daryn]

i don't like the giving away of $300 on river

[NYplayer]

i don't think you're going to get a better hand to fold here 1 in 10 times. what did he call the turn with that he won't pay off the river that beats you. i think this is a case of only worse hands folding. but what do i know, i'm just weak tight [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[mperich]

As others have said, I dont think he folds the river if he calls the turn (enough to be profitable, or remotely profitable IMO). I don't see what hands he thinks you would be free showdowning that he beats on this turn, so I think if he thought you were going for a free showdown here, he folds the turn.

-Mike

[TiltsMcFabulous]

This is exactly the kind of hand I do not understand about high stakes play. By all accounts the OP is a fantastic player ... how can he play a hand this way? I mean that with utmost respect, btw. I couldn't imagine myself ever raising 44 from UTG and bluffing into someone who 3bet me out of position (and then didn't fold to the scare card on the turn). Totally baffling.

~ Tilts

[oreogod]

Well Schneids kind of operates on a whole different plane of poker playing. Ive heard when he plays, he plays no less than 25 tables at once...and he can do it on one screen