KK....will you or won't you?

[Rosencrantz1]

You failed to protect your hand -- which is very likely ahead -- on the flop by calling instead of raising.

You're ahead of a lot of potential hands at the get go: AK, AQ, AJ, QQ, KJ even TT or 99 if the table is loose.

By the time the turn came, you would have been in good shape. You're ahead of several likely hands -- QQ, JJ and there's only one way to make a straight. The low cards mean that a 2p holding is slightly less likely, given the preflop action.

Against AJ[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] you are an almost 2:1 FAVORITE.

The pot is a decent size.

Terrible, terrible fold (is that berating enough?)

[Lavarn]

JJ is a definite possiblity, but just because it is possible that someone holds a better hand than you doesn't mean you should fold, especially in a huge pot. Even if the guy were to show you his JJ, I still think you have odds to call and try to hit your K. Folding is out of the question.

[adsman]

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3 players capping pre-flop,including me
4 to the flop...thinking reasonably, I can't see why JJ isn't a strong possibility.

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This is called seeing monsters.

It would be very helpful if you would provide reads regarding the villains. That said, here's my analysis:

Pre-flop: You should have capped with KK. Get the money in the pot pre-flop with such a strong holding.

Flop: You should have bet to protect your hand. You had plenty of outs even if not the best hand at the moment, 9.5 outs by my counting (K, K, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, and 1.5 outs for runner-runner flush), which means your drawing odds were abut 3.85-to-1. Yet your immediate pot odds were 17.4-to-1 (with arguably greater implied odds). You definitely should not have folded when it came back to you with immediate pot odds of 21.4-to-1.

[xenthebrain]

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And from what I know I played it therorectcally correct

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No, you didn't play it correct.

You have an overpair here on the flop.
You make two mistakes.

#1: calling with an overpair in a huge pot where you gotta raise to protect your hand (a call might be correct if you plan to raise the turn, since you cannot really protect your hand on the flop)
#2: folding a hand that will hold up a significant majority of the time in a 21SB mega pot. ouch

[tiltaholic]

just stop it.

it is an incorrect use of a phrase that is used too much.

the flop raise is for value.

edit- typo

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You are almost always ahead here, raise for value.

[Vote4Pedro]

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just stop it.

it is an incorrect use of a phrase that is used to much.

the flop raise is for value.

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This feels like the 10th time I've quoted you today tilt, you must feel honored [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Just curious why you say it's an incorrect phrase??? Wouldn't a bet here be "to protect his hand" in that it would be to protect a strong hand in a large, multiway pot? Please indulge this beginner. Thanks.

[silkyslim]

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And from what I know I played it therorectcally correct

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Flop: (16.40 SB) J, 7, 8 (4 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, Button raises, BB folds, MP1 calls, Hero folds.


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Blehk, thats me throwing up all over my keyboard.