Lack of Patriot Act hurts the UK

[Arnfinn Madsen]

Our general attorney is now in media warning politicians that they must be careful so that they don't make laws that limits individuals' rights or increases surveillance due to terror threat. He says it can ultimately destroy our fair justice system.

Can sleep well tonight too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

[lehighguy]

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[Cyrus]

Excuse me, but unless you are smoking some serious Rasta sh*t, your post is inexplicable. Where precisely would a Patriot-like piece of legislation have helped the British in avoiding their own 9/11 ?

As a start, I would like you to tell us, please, which of the two is generally more "liberal", the American or the British constitution?

...Give this a quick try. I so like seeing neo-cons in the porridge.

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BTW, name me one life it's saved.

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So does this mean that if an attack was stopped similar to the one on 9/11 using only provisions allowed under the patriot act where we could reasonable estimate the number of lives it saved. And it was certain that it would not have been stopped without the patroit act. You would be all for it?

[lastchance]

What's actually in the Patriot Act?

[coffeecrazy1]

Expanded surveillance and law enforcement powers...most likely to the point of violating not only the Fifth Amendment's "due process" clause, but also the "search and seizure" clause of the Fourth Amendment.

[mackthefork]

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I think most Brits are even willing to accept some terrorism instead of getting a Patriotic Act, but maybe some Brits might answer. I would prefer some terror in my country to Patriotic Act atleast (at some point of course there is a trade off).

P.S. I have noticed that while most other names it UK or Britain, Bush says Great Britain emphasizing Great. Even though I don't like this guy he is charming sometimes.

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I think this recent attack will be used to creep in new anti terror laws, which take away the right to trial by jury, I don't think this is a good thing, but i can understand why some people will. It makes me sad to think that the right to a trial by a jury of peers will be lost, the terrorist will have taken away something I care deeply about.

Regards Mack

[mackthefork]

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"Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin

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Sound advice from a very wise man, ignore it at your peril, once freedom has gone you can't have it back by asking nicely.

Mack

[HtotheNootch]

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BTW, name me one life it's saved.

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So does this mean that if an attack was stopped similar to the one on 9/11 using only provisions allowed under the patriot act where we could reasonable estimate the number of lives it saved. And it was certain that it would not have been stopped without the patroit act. You would be all for it?

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Actually I still wouldn't support it. I just had a problem with the OP saying that what happened in England wouldn't have happened if they had a Patriot Act. It's just a false,self-serving statement.

The British government has far more experience in dealing with things like what happened the other day. I'm sure most of you are aware of little group known as the IRA?

Finally, you know what it would have taken to prevent the 9/11 attacks. All it would have taken were two things:

1) Enforcement of existing immigration laws; and
2) Arm the cockpit crew.

[BCPVP]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act