5-10 NL: flopped straight on a monotone board

[Rotating Rabbit]

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Uhh, this is not exactly true. If I have villain read for a flush, I could CR all-in if the board pairs on the turn, for instance.

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And how you gonna have him exactly read for flush? Still risking 700 to win less than half that, would have to work more than 70% of the time to be profitable + he may make a crying call anyway.

[neon]

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Uhh, this is not exactly true. If I have villain read for a flush, I could CR all-in if the board pairs on the turn, for instance.

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And how you gonna have him exactly read for flush? Still risking 700 to win less than half that, would have to work more than 70% of the time to be profitable + he may make a crying call anyway.

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I'm not saying that I particularly like the play or think it's profitable against almost any opponent w/ only 70 BBs behind; I was just pointing out that the potential to bluff a scary turn card--which several posters have mentioned--entered into my reasoning as I weighed my options on the flop.

This was one of those situations on the flop where I wanted a set plan for the rest of the hand before I took any action after villain's raise, and I think that unless you favor a push or a fold on the flop, any plan would have to consider different possible actions based on different turn cards falling, and the potential to bluff a heart (baby flush) or a board-pairing turn card could add some value to a call on the flop.

So we've got two votes for a push, one for a fold, and one for it being just plain bad, if I've gotten it right so far?

I guess this hand would be about a million times more interesting if villain was as deep as I was. I suppose that's just about always true though.

[AZK]

I think people don't like the play just because he will only call your push with the made flush. If you want to shut him out and take down the current pot that's fine... This hand is much more interesting if you were both equal stacked. What would have been your plan for that?

Edit: Once he makes it 150 and you call, the pot starts to get too big to bluff him out by the river I think.

[kagame]

he might call with a set or two pair some significant percentage of the time

people like to bluff in this spot with the Ah

[mgsimpleton]

Call me tight, but I'm getting out of this hand right now. It's not like you have a set and you have outs, and since you have NO idea whether or not he already has a flush (many do need a flush to raise this flop), are you gonig to pray a heart doesn't fall, pray the board doesn't pair, and pray he doesn't already have you drawing dead? I think that's a whole lot of praying, too much for me, and it will be too expensive... I like to leave myself outs when I'm unsure of something.

Furthermore, I think the point about still being able to c/r all-in on a board pair if you read him for a flush is ludicrous. The board pairs 1/3 the time, he will probably still call, etc. Why don't you keep playing with 72o if this is your intended play? If you read someone for having you drawing dead or having that be a serious possibility, I think it's a bad idea to get involved w/o a solid read to the contrary.

[iceman5]

This might be completely ridiculous, but what I sometimes do in a spot like this is check and hope it checks around.

If another heart huts the turn, so what? I have nothing invested and anyone with a high heart wasnt going to fold for $50 anyway.

If it gets checked around, you can play the turn like its the flop except that the pot will likely stay much smaller since theres only one more street left. If you play a big pot here I think your going to lose.

[edge]

Why does everyone want to fold? Button is "a bit laggy". He could very easily be raising 88, naked A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 76, or a set, all of which you're beating on the flop. I think folding is way too weak here, and you're ahead much more than you're behind here.

I realize that a push may not be called except by a set or a made flush (maybe 76 or A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]), but given the stack sizes, a push is not too much of an overbet.

[neon]

Hi guys,

As AZK pointed out, this hand would have been a million times more interesting if we both had 250BB's in front. I thought the hand would spark some really good discussion on different turn plays depending on what fell, but I didn't really take into consideration villain's stack size, which negates a lot of the possibilities I was thinking about when I posted the hand.

When villain raised me on the flop, w/ three players still left behind him before it got back to me, I put him on a set, a flush, two-pair, a weirdly played overpair w/ a heart, or the naked A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], in descending order of probability.

I really thought he had a set, and so my plan was to CR a non board pairing turn card all-in. Thankfully, my read was off. The turn was the 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], pairing the board, I checked, villain bet $250, and I folded. He later said he had a baby flush.

Thanks.

[suitedtwogapper]

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I really thought he had a set, and so my plan was to CR a non board pairing turn card all-in. Thankfully, the board paired and saved my ass. The turn was the 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], pairing the board, I checked, villain bet $250, and I folded. He later said he had a baby flush.

Thanks.

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fyp.

this is what i'm talking about - why get involved and pray? i often disagree with people who say things like wait for a better spot, but since there's no way to have any idea what he has (your "read" was a set, but that's out of thin air, just a complete guess against an unknown), just wait for a spot with a read or maybe some outs.

-fslexcduck (whose account is currently blocked? due to "spamming"... apparently you can't post three things very quickly around here or you get blocked. man oh man.