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#11
05-05-2005, 11:18 PM
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Re: The noble Iraqi \'insurgents\'
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Now, try to ask the iraquis, their response is gonna shock you. [/ QUOTE ] Analogy can be made WWII. Here in Norway Germans occupied. They boosted the economy, built new infrastructure, provided law and order etc.. Hitler made a racism in the 3rd reich where he put Norwegians on top. Objectively, except jews, it was in each citizens "self-interest" to each citizen. Yet, 95% suppoorted the resistance, due to probably two factors. Wanting to run their own country and strong opposition to Hitler's values and policies. Look at average iraqi, he wants to run his own country and he might strongly oppose Bush's values and policies (I don't Bush is a Hitler just to clarify that). He concludes from that, that he wants to kill a few American soldiers or Iraqi army as he sees as collaborators. Morally wrong? The answer is not clear. 
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#12
05-05-2005, 11:25 PM
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Re: The noble Iraqi \'insurgents\'
Yes, the United States and Nazi Germany are exactly the same. I never looked at it that way.
We should obviously leave and let the insurgents run the government. They obviously have the full support of the Iraqi people. And the values they support are clearly superior. They are glorious freedom fighters looking out for the best interest of thier countrymen, unless those countrymen believe in false ideas: like elections, women getting educated, believing in other religions, or getting a close shave (barbers in Iraq has stopped giving these because your wonderful insurgents kill them since they believe it to be unislamic).
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#13
05-05-2005, 11:27 PM
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Re: The noble Iraqi \'insurgents\'
If you'd read the story, Arfinn, you'd note that the terrorist attacked the soldiers while a group of kids was standing near them. They didn't wait till the kids left, they attacked the children as much as they did the soldiers.
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#14
05-05-2005, 11:30 PM
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Re: The noble Iraqi \'insurgents\'
Slim, the brief article sent chills down my spine. It amazes me how little these insurgents care about the people that the are supposedly defending.
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#15
05-05-2005, 11:30 PM
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Re: The noble Iraqi \'insurgents\'
Yeah,
I don't support the terrorists. Just wanting to put out that this all becomes very blurry in a war situation and that the good guys/bad guys-rhetoric has little to do with reality.
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#16
05-05-2005, 11:48 PM
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Re: The noble Iraqi \'insurgents\'
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Look at average iraqi, he wants to run his own country and he might strongly oppose Bush's values and policies (I don't Bush is a Hitler just to clarify that). He concludes from that, that he wants to kill a few American soldiers or Iraqi army as he sees as collaborators. Morally wrong? The answer is not clear. [/ QUOTE ] The vote in Iraq earlier this year points up something interesting, and it is related to what you are saying. The average Iraqi does want for Iraqis to run the country. Iraqis participating in voting is a way for the average Iraqi to have a say in the country's governance. Many Iraqis realized this, and braved the threats and attacks from insurgents and terrorists on their way to the polling stations. The terrorists and insurgents, however, desperately wanted that there be no vote. These totalitarian-minded violent scumbags are AGAINST Iraqis running the country--unless it just happens to be the same small group of Iraqis who are of identical political mind as themselves. So: if an Iraqi genuinely wants IRAQIS to run the country, he should support democracy in Iraq. If on the other hand he just wants his own clique to be in power, he does what the insurgents and terrorists do: threaten and bomb other Iraqi voters; threaten and bomb Iraqi policemen and firemen; threaten and bomb vital Iraqi infrastructure. No, these guys are definitely NOT freedom fighters. Rather, they are fighting AGAINST freedom, that their owm small clique may rule with absolute power. See them for what they really are: totalitarian ideologues who will kill anyone or anything in pursuit of their dreams of absolute power and absolute rule. They don't want Iraqis to run Iraq: they want themselves to rule Iraq. Plain and simple.
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#17
05-05-2005, 11:55 PM
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Re: The noble Iraqi \'insurgents\'
I don't agree, at least not in this war. The fight with the insurgents clearly shows that the U.S. is the "good guy". The good guys are trying to rebuild the country, while the bad guys are trying to take it apart in the most violent way possible. The insurgents have shown that they are only too willing to any and all Iraqis that even remotely cooperate with the Coalition forces. That could be why the terrorist didn't wait till the children cleared out. He wanted to kill them to send a message to their parents. You cannot honestly put the terrorist insurgents and the U.S. on the same plane.
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#20
05-06-2005, 01:42 AM
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Re: The noble Iraqi \'insurgents\'
We could start tomorrow, with the goal for all GI's out in six months. We have had many chances to hand over to the UN. We should have done it. The insurgency would have ended long ago - or at least have been much less (at least that is my opinion).
And, yes it is for the best. The best for us and the Iraqi would have been if we had never gone in. Lifted the sanctions and removed the no-fly zones. We could have left troops in Saudi to defend against any future invasions that Saddam may have tried -- if asked by the Saudi.
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