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#11
05-02-2005, 03:28 PM
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Re: Was I out of line
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I find it funny when people complain they only get 30 hand/hour in a casino but they can get 60+ online. Then a dealer runs the game fast and they are now upset that they "feel rushed" and have to play faster. You guys can't have it both ways. [/ QUOTE ] Where exactly did he makes this complaint? 
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#12
05-02-2005, 03:29 PM
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Re: Was I out of line
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I find it funny when people complain they only get 30 hand/hour in a casino but they can get 60+ online. Then a dealer runs the game fast and they are now upset that they "feel rushed" and have to play faster. You guys can't have it both ways. [/ QUOTE ] True, but online, it's simply impossible for someone to act out of turn. The software won't let anyone else act until the person whose turn it is either acts or times out. Personally, I do prefer the B&M experience when I can get it, but alas, that's not often. -Mike
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#13
05-02-2005, 03:42 PM
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Re: Was I out of line
Yes, you were a little out of line in your reaction to the situation. It is a rule, but two checks should not be significant action in my opinioin. I like three. The dealer was wrong because the button couldn't act yet. He checked WAY out of turn and then the early limper checked out of turn. You tried to protect your action but missed. It's a bad situation but it's only one hand. Just mutter under your breath and soldier on. I am not a dealer but I would have solved this by saying, "OK, start the flop betting over. YOUR.TURN." That may be incorrect, I'm not sure.
By the way, what did the BB do? Was he waiting for you to act still? If he was that is a big point in your favor for protecting your action, "Well, THIS GUY knew I needed to act!"
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#15
05-02-2005, 04:44 PM
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Re: Was I out of line
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and with 3 people in the pot, you should have bet this anyway [/ QUOTE ] Why is this? I sometimes bet w 2nd pair and one or two opponents but usually not with three or more still in. I don't want to derail the post, though, so you don't have to elaborate if you don't want to.
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#16
05-02-2005, 04:50 PM
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Re: Was I out of line
Before I look at the rest of the responses, I will put my money on you.
The dealer is out of line--it is his responsibility to make sure everyone acts in order, and his alone. But, if you are playing with fresh dead money that doesn't even know when to act, you probably shouldn'r complain too much!
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#17
05-02-2005, 04:59 PM
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Re: Was I out of line
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The dealer is out of line--it is his responsibility to make sure everyone acts in order, and his alone. [/ QUOTE ] Please learn the rules of poker before you state incorrect rules. From Bob Ciaffone's Rules of Poker (standard cardroom rules) [ QUOTE ] 11. To retain the right to act, a player must stop the action by calling “time” (or an equivalent word). Failure to stop the action before three or more players have acted behind you may cause you to lose the right to act. You cannot forfeit your right to act if any player in front of you has not acted, only if you fail to act when it legally becomes your turn. Therefore, if you wait for someone whose turn comes before you, and three or more players act behind you, this still does not hinder your right to act. [/ QUOTE ] According to this, the dealer was perfectly in his right to enforce the rule.
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#18
05-02-2005, 05:09 PM
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Re: Was I out of line
I stand corrected. And I still think it sucks.
I am imagining this happening near the end of a tournament--just once. Three players left--SB and BB check, UTG is out of luck with a good hand. How can that EVER be right?
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#19
05-02-2005, 05:24 PM
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Re: Was I out of line
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[ QUOTE ] The dealer is out of line--it is his responsibility to make sure everyone acts in order, and his alone. [/ QUOTE ] Please learn the rules of poker before you state incorrect rules. From Bob Ciaffone's Rules of Poker (standard cardroom rules) [ QUOTE ] 11. To retain the right to act, a player must stop the action by calling “time” (or an equivalent word). Failure to stop the action before three or more players have acted behind you may cause you to lose the right to act. You cannot forfeit your right to act if any player in front of you has not acted, only if you fail to act when it legally becomes your turn. Therefore, if you wait for someone whose turn comes before you, and three or more players act behind you, this still does not hinder your right to act. [/ QUOTE ] According to this, the dealer was perfectly in his right to enforce the rule. [/ QUOTE ] That might be the way the rule is written, but that's not the way it is enforced. I have never heard a single player say "time" or even a dealer teling a person to say "time" if they need time. The dealers I've seen basically point to each player in turn to keep everything straight. I think they should be doing this - that's what they're there for - to control the game.
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#20
05-02-2005, 06:07 PM
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Re: Was I out of line
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That might be the way the rule is written, but that's not the way it is enforced. I have never heard a single player say "time" or even a dealer teling a person to say "time" if they need time. [/ QUOTE ] So what you are saying is that you are unhappy that a dealer enforced the rules correctly instead of letting the players run the games. You should be happy that a dealer is actually enforcing the rules. No matter if it works for you or against you, you have one that enforces rules plain and simple. I wish all dealers would do this.
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